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>> ANYWAY, IT'S NICE TO SEE EVERYBODY HERE TONIGHT.
[CALL TO ORDER]
WE'RE GOING TO START THIS MEETING AT 06:31 PM, MONDAY, APRIL 3RD.THE MEETING IS CALLED TO ORDER.
WELCOME ALL OF YOU TONIGHT FOR THE COUNCIL MEETING IN WHICH WE CONDUCT THE BUSINESS OF THE CITY.
I WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT FOR THE CITY'S RULES OF DECORUM, ALL SPEAKERS, MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE, AND COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE TO CONDUCT THEMSELVES WITH DECORUM AND NOT TO ENGAGE IN CONDUCT THAT INTERRUPTS THE ORDERLY CONDUCT OF THE MEETING.
IF YOU ARE CHOOSE TO BE A SPEAKER, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE DIRECT IT TO THE COUNCIL ON THE DEGAS, NOT THE AUDIENCE.
IT WOULD BE APPRECIATED BECAUSE THAT'S HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK.
I WANT TO ALSO RECOGNIZE A ROBIN CARDER, PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEMBER FOR I WON'T NAME HOW MANY YEARS.
MAYOR DON KENDRICK OVER HERE, ALSO [APPLAUSE] PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEMBER AND ALSO MAYOR LA VERNE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. WELCOME GUYS.
TONIGHT WE'RE VERY PLEASED TO HAVE ONCE AGAIN, ONE OF OUR PROUD VETERANS, JOHN CHAUVIN.
IF YOU WOULD COME UP, JOHN, PLEASE.
MARINE SERGEANT, TO CONDUCT THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE FOR US TONIGHT.
ALSO MR. CHAUVIN, HOW MANY YEARS YOU WERE A TEACHER, MR. CHAUVIN?
>> I THINK ALL THREE OF MY CHILDREN, WHICH ARE NOW I WON'T SAY HOW OLD THEY ARE NOW.
[LAUGHTER] NOW THE CHILDREN STILL.
BUT ANYWAY, ACTUALLY MR. CHAUVIN AND MRS. CHAUVIN WERE MY KIDS TEACHERS.
WONDERFUL ASSET TO OUR MEETING. [APPLAUSE]
>> MR. CHAUVIN THE SHOW IS YOURS.
>> I AM AS AFOREMENTIONED, JOHN CHAUVIN, SERGEANT, UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS, 196-1967 SERVED IN VIETNAM.
IS AN HONOR TO BE ABLE TO BE LEAD THE LA VERNE CITY COUNCIL IN PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
WHEN YOU PLEDGE PLEASE STAY STILL.
WITH YOUR THOSE WHO ARE ABLE TO YOU WILL PLEASE STAND UP.
CHAIR IF YOU REMOVE YOUR COVERS.
WHEN I SAY PRESENT ARMS, ALL THOSE WHO ARE ACTIVE MILITARY OR SERVE.
THOSE WHO ARE VETERANS AND THOSE WHO ARE LAW ENFORCEMENT, FIRST RESPONDERS AND SALUTE ALL OTHERS, PLACE YOUR HAND OVER YOUR HEART.
THAT IS WHEN I SAY PRESENT ARMS OF UNITED STATES.
PRAISE AND ARMS. YOU MAY BE SEATED.
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAUVIN. COMMANDER RAMIREZ.
THANK YOU AGAIN, COUNCILMEMBER, MESHAL KASHIFALGHITA, "KASH" FOR SHORT.
FOR PUTTING THIS UP, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE CELEBRATE OUR MILITARY IN LA VERNE AS WE ARE A MILITARY NEIGHBORHOOD.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS OUT, AND THANK YOU LA VERNE BROTHERS, ONE, TWO, ZERO, THREE, FOUR FOR BEING HERE VERY MUCH.
WE HAVE SAW THREE PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT.
I'M GOING TO MIX UP THE ORDER A LITTLE BIT. WHAT CAN I DO?
>> GET TOO EXCITED. ROLL CALL, PLEASE, MR. CITY MANAGER.
>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER COUNCIL KASHIFALGHITA.
>> NOW WE'LL GO TO PRESENTATIONS.
[PRESENTATIONS]
I'M GOING TO MIX IT UP A LITTLE BIT.WE'RE GOING TO DO WE HAVE THREE PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT.
WE HAVE THE SOUTH COAST AIR QUALITY MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.
SECOND, AND THEN ALSO THE PROCLAMATION DECLARING THE MONTH OF APRIL AS ARAB AMERICAN HERITAGE MONTH.
LAST PRESENTATION OF THE PROCLAMATION OF THE ACTUALLY THAT'S SECOND DECLARING THE MONTH OF APRIL'S ARTS, CULTURE AND CREATIVITY MONTH. WITH THAT.
>> GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU. CITY OF LA VERNE.
WHEREAS FOR OVER A CENTURY, ARAB AMERICANS HAVE MADE VALUABLE CONTRIBUTIONS TO SEVERAL ASPECTS OF AMERICAN SOCIETY, INCLUDING MEDICINE, LAW, BUSINESS, EDUCATION, TECHNOLOGY, GOVERNMENT, MILITARY SERVICE, AND CULTURE.
WHEREAS ARAB AMERICANS SHARE IN THE ENTREPRENEURIAL SPIRIT AND BRING A DIVERSE SET OF ETHNIC VALUES DERIVED FROM THEIR RICH CULTURE AND TRADITIONS.
WHEREAS ARAB AMERICANS JOIN ALL AMERICANS IN THE DESIRE TO SEE
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A PEACEFUL AND DIVERSE SOCIETY WHERE EVERY INDIVIDUAL IS TREATED EQUALLY AND FEELS SAFE.WHEREAS THE INCREDIBLE CONTRIBUTIONS AND HERITAGE OF ARAB AMERICANS HAVE HELPED BUILD A BETTER NATION.
WHEREAS DURING ARAB AMERICAN HERITAGE MONTH IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE AWARENESS ABOUT KEY ISSUES AND PRIORITIES WITHIN THE ARAB AMERICAN COMMUNITY AND BETWEEN ALL CULTURES IN AMERICAN SOCIETY.
NOW BEING PROCLAIMED BY THE CITY OF LA VERNE, THAT THE MONTH OF APRIL 2023 BE RECOGNIZED AS ARAB AMERICAN HERITAGE MONTH.
WE ENCOURAGE ALL RESIDENTS TO CELEBRATE THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF ARAB AMERICANS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND NATION. [APPLAUSE].
>> THANK YOU. CAN I GET THE MIC?
>> WELL, THANK YOU TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THE PROCLAMATION FOR ARAB AMERICAN HERITAGE MONTH IN APRIL.
I THEN WENT TO UC SANTA BARBARA AND LA VERNE BROUGHT ME BACK WHERE I WAS BLESSED TO GET HIRED BY LA VERNE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BY CHIEF RON ANGLES.
SIX YEARS AFTER THAT, MY CAREER TOOK ME TO THE LA COUNTY DA'S OFFICE WHERE I'M CURRENTLY A LIEUTENANT.
I ALSO MET MY WIFE WHO'S SITTING IN THE CROWD IN LA VERNE.
I MET HER AT THE LOCAL BASKIN ROBBINS.
[LAUGHTER] LET'S SAY I EAT A LOT ICE CREAM.
[LAUGHTER] MY WIFE ALSO GREW UP IN LA VERNE AND ATTENDED BENITO HIGH SCHOOL AND THE UNIVERSITY OF LA VERNE.
MY KIDS, EVA, ELI AND DAVID, AND MY NEPHEW MICHAEL, KEEP US BUSY.
MY MOM, THANK GOD FOR HER, HELPS US EVERY DAY.
WE LOVE THE COMMUNITY OF LA VERNE.
THANKS TO OUR AMAZING POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FIRE DEPARTMENT, IT'S A SAFE PLACE TO RAISE A FAMILY.
A SPECIAL THANKS TO THE VETERANS AND ALL THE SENIOR VOLUNTEERS IN THE CITY.
AS YOU ALREADY MENTIONED, ARAB AMERICANS HAVE CONTRIBUTED IN MANY WAYS.
I AM HONORED TO ACCEPT THIS CERTIFICATE ON BEHALF OF THE ARAB AMERICAN COMMUNITY AND BLESSED TO BE A MEMBER OF THE LA VERNE COMMUNITY. [APPLAUSE]
.>> WE GO ONE, TWO, THREE. THANK YOU.
>> WE GOING TO CELEBRATE AT BASKIN ROBBINS. [LAUGHTER] [APPLAUSE]
>> WE HAVE DONA AND BRIDGET HERE AND YOU GUYS ARE FROM?
>> INLAND VALLEY REPERTORY THEATER.
>> INLAND VALLEY REPERTORY THEATER.
CENTER OF ONE PROCLAMATION, WHEREAS THE 2023 CULTURE AND CREATIVITY MONTH IS THE FIFTH ANNUAL STATEWIDE CELEBRATION FIRST ESTABLISHED BY THE CALIFORNIA LEGISLATURE IN 2019.
WHEREAS THE ARTS NOT ONLY UNIMPRESSIVE AND IMPORTANT AGENT FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BUT ALSO IMPACT VARIOUS SOCIAL OR SOCIETAL ISSUES AND WHEREAS ARTS, CULTURE, AND CREATIVITY SPARK INNOVATION, GROWTH, AND POSITIVE CHANGE THROUGH THE SHARING OF STORIES AND RESOURCES.
WHEREAS THE CREATIVE COMMUNITY ALWAYS FINDS WAYS TO LIFT US UP DURING OUR MOST DIFFICULT TIMES, SPARK INDIVIDUAL CREATIVITY, FOSTER EMPATHY AND UNDERSTANDING, SPECIFIC ENGAGEMENT, AND SERVE AS A CONTINUAL SOURCE OF PERSONAL ENRICHMENT, INSPIRATION, AND GROWTH.
WHEREAS THE CITY OF LA VERNE CELEBRATES ARTS, CULTURE, AND CREATIVITY THROUGH ORGANIZED CITY EVENTS, INCLUDING THE ANNUAL SIP OF LA VERNE LINE WALK, THE SPRING FLING VENDOR FAIR, AND NUMEROUS YOUTH EVENTS THAT FOSTER CREATIVITY, INCLUDING THE SIDEWALK COLORING CONTEST, WHICH IS COMING.
NOW BE IT PROCLAIMED BY THE CITY OF LA VERNE, THAT THE MONTH OF APRIL 2023 BE RECOGNIZED AS ARTS, CULTURE, AND CREATIVITY MONTH.
WE ENCOURAGE ALL RESIDENTS TO RECOGNIZE AND JOIN IN THE CELEBRATION BY ATTENDING LOCAL ARTS, CULTURE, AND CREATIVITY EVENTS.
THANK YOU BOTH. [APPLAUSE] WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS? [APPLAUSE].
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MAYOR HEPBURN AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.I AM DONA MURRAY MANANO, AND THIS IS BRIDGET HEALY.
MY HUSBAND FRANK AND I ARE 22-YEAR RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF LA VERNE.
MY HUSBAND RECEIVED HIS MBA AT UNIVERSITY OF LA VERNE AND OUR DAUGHTER GRADUATED CLASS OF 2019 FROM BONITA HIGH-SCHOOL.
WE ARE THE CO-FOUNDERS OF THE INLAND VALLEY REPERTORY THEATER COMPANY LOCATED HERE IN CLAREMONT.
AS PRESIDENT OF OUR BOARD OF TRUSTEES, BRIDGET HELPS TO ENSURE THAT OUR NON-PROFIT ARTS ORGANIZATIONS QUARTER-MILLION DOLLAR ANNUAL BUDGET IS USED TO SUSTAIN OUR MISSION OF PROVIDING HIGH-QUALITY THEATRICAL PRODUCTIONS TO THE COMMUNITY AND BY FOSTERING THE TALENTS OF ARTISTS OF ALL AGES.
SINCE 1990, WHEN MY HUSBAND AND I CO-FOUNDED INLAND VALLEY REPERTORY THEATER, OR AS WE KNOW IT AS IVRT.
IVRT ENTERTAINS, ENRICHES OUR COMMUNITY WITH PLAYS AND MUSICALS, EDUCATES HUNDREDS OF CHILDREN EACH YEAR THROUGH OUR OUTREACH PROGRAMS, AND PROVIDES EMPLOYMENT TO ACTORS, MUSICIANS, DESIGNERS, AND TECHNICIANS.
WE ARE PROUD TO BE A PART OF THE LA VERNE'S VIBRANT AND VITAL ARTS COMMUNITY AND BEYOND THAT OF LOS ANGELES COUNTY, WHERE WE HAVE RECEIVED FUNDING FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND FROM THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, SHOUT OUT TO MARCO FROM SENATOR PORTANTINO'S OFFICE OVER THERE ON ZOOM.
THANK YOU SO MUCH MAYOR HEPBURN AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR THIS WONDERFUL SUPPORT OF THE ARTS, AS EVIDENCED BY TONIGHT'S REALLY IMPORTANT PROCLAMATION.
NOW WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I'M A BRAND NEW IZTECH'S FAN.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. [APPLAUSE]
>> NOW ON TO OUR PRESENTATION FROM SOUTH COAST AQM D WILL BE PRESENTED BY MICHAEL CACCIOTTI THE SCAQMD GOVERNING BOARD VICE CHAIR.
MR. CACCIOTTI ARE YOU NOT MAYOR OF SOUTH PASEVINA?
>> JUST TRANSFERRED. I WAS FIVE-TIME MAYOR NOW COUNCIL MEMBER.
>> THAT'S A LOT OF YEARS, MR. CACCIOTTI.
MR. CACCIOTTI AND I ARE ON MANY DIFFERENT BOARDS AND HE'S GOT SOME GREAT ITEMS FOR US TO VIEW TONIGHT, ESPECIALLY FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLES, EXCUSE ME, BATTERY-POWERED LAWNMOWERS.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR, TOWN COUNCIL MEMBERS.
GREAT TO SEE EVERYBODY TONIGHT STAFF.
RESIDENTS GOT A LOT OF INCENTIVES FOR YOU TONIGHT.
I WANT TO GO OVER, BUT I'LL GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND IN CASE YOU'RE NOT PRETTY MUCH AWARE WHAT THE SOUTH COAST AIR QUALITY MANAGEMENT DISTRICT DOES.
THERE'S 13 MEMBERS ON THE BOARD.
I REPRESENT THE 34 CITIES OF EASTERN LA COUNTY.
REPRESENTATIVES FROM ALL FOUR COUNTIES BUT REPRESENT THOSE 34 CITIES FROM CLAREMONT, LA VERNE, SOUTH PATH, PASSING MONTEREY PARK ALL THE WAY TO SANTA CORITA, TOO MANY PEOPLE.
THANKS. THE EQMD IN THE MIDDLE, THAT LITTLE SQUARE IS FOUR COUNTIES, LA, SAN BERNARDINO, ORANGE, AND RIVERSIDE COUNTY, 70 MILLION OF PEOPLE.
WE'VE GOT 20,000 PERMITS WE ISSUE, I'LL GO OVER THOSE IN A MOMENT.
ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE COMMUNITIES AND IF YOU LOOK, ONE-THIRD OF OUR US CONTAINERIZED CARGO TRAFFIC, OCEAN-GOING VESSELS, TRUCKS, WAREHOUSES COME BY OUR COMMUNITIES EVERY DAY.
ON THE LEFT, WE WILL FORMED IN THE 70S AFTER EPA AND THE FEDERAL AIR QUALITY STANDARDS SET STANDARDS BECAUSE WE WERE OUT OF COMPLIANCE.
NEXT. AIR POLLUTION, WE BREAK IT INTO TWO DIFFERENT PARTS.
STATIONARY SOURCES THAT DON'T REALLY MOVE THOSE ARE CLEANERS, SOLVENTS, THE PAINTS, YOU USE SOMETIMES, AUTO BODY PAINT SHOPS, GAS STATIONS, POWER PLANTS, REFINERIES, LANDFILLS.
ON THE RIGHT ARE THE MOBILE SOURCES, WHICH UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T CONTROL.
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES AND SOME OF THE CALIFORNIA AIR RESOURCES BOARD.
BUT THOSE ARE THE BIG ONES, OCEAN-GOING VESSELS, AIRPLANES, TRAINS, THE METROLINK TRAINS THAT GO BY THE PASSENGER TRAINS, EVEN FREIGHT TRAINS, AND A LOT OF OFF-ROAD EQUIPMENT, TRACTORS AND LAWN EQUIPMENTS.
FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 2021 LAWN EQUIPMENT.
IF YOU CUT YOUR GRASS TO THE WEED WACKERS HEDGE TRIMMERS, SURPASS CARS AND LIGHT-DUTY TRUCKS IS A SOURCE OF POLLUTION BECAUSE THERE'S NO CATALYTIC CONVERTERS ON IT IN CALIFORNIA.
NEXT. THESE TWO SOURCES OF POLLUTION ARE BAD BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED ATTAINMENT AND WE'LL FIND OUT WHY IT'S BAD LATER.
BUT ON THE LEFT, THAT'S THE SMOG WE SEE IT'S GOING TO START IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS.
IF YOU'RE LUCKY TO SEE THE HILL SOMETIMES.
ITS NITRIC OXIDE MISSES WITH VOLATILE ORGANIC COMPOUNDS, PHOTOCHEMICAL REACTION CREATES SMOG.
IT YOU'RE DOING A CHEMISTRY EXPERIMENT, DIFFERENT PARTS OF NITRIC OXIDE, VOLATILE ORGANIC COMPOUNDS CREATES A SMOG IN THE RIGHT.
THIS STUFF IS REALLY DANGEROUS,
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PARTICULARLY MATTER BECAUSE IT'S SO SMALL.THAT LITTLE GRAY STICK IS YOUR HUMAN HAIR.
AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT, THAT LITTLE BLUE GLOBE IS PARTICULARLY OUT OF 10.
WHEN YOU CAME IN HERE AND I ACTUALLY DO THIS DEMONSTRATION FOR HIGH SCHOOLS WHEN I GO HAVE A LITTLE METER.
AS THE KIDS COME IN, WE CAME IN, YOU JUST KICKED UP DUST.
YOU DON'T SEE IT, BUT WE CAN MONITOR IT AND YOU INHALE IT.
YOU DON'T REALLY INHALE IT, YOUR BODY KICKS IT OUT. THAT'S PM10.
GO A LITTLE HIGHER THAT RED GLOBE IN THE BLUE, THAT'S PM2.5.
UNFORTUNATELY, DEATHS BY CARS, TRUCKS, AUTOS, A MECHANIZED EQUIPMENT THAT GOES INTO YOUR BLOOD-BRAIN BARRIER AND GOES THROUGH YOUR CIRCULATORY SYSTEM WHICH IS EVEN MORE DANGEROUS, EVEN HIGHER, THAT LITTLE RED GLOBE RIGHT THERE, THAT'S ULTRAFINE AT THE VERY TOP, THAT'S EVEN SMALLER, MICROSCOPIC.
UNFORTUNATELY AGAIN, IT LODGES IN YOUR ORGANS FOR YEARS.
THE STUDY IS AT CEDAR SINAI AND IT SITS THERE 10, 15, 20 YEARS.
WE JUST EXPOSED RUST TO THAT AND SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN YOUR CELLS, IT GOES INTO YOUR CELLS, EVEN SMALLER THAN YOUR CELLS AND CHANGES THING EXPRESSES GENES THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH ALZHEIMER'S IN OLDER ADULTS.
THERE WAS THE FIRST TEST DONE THREE MONTHS AGO IN UNIVERSITY OF BRITISH COLUMBIA, THEY EXPOSED 27 HUMANS.
THEY VOLUNTEERED FOR THE STUDY TO THIS PARTICULAR MATTER, MRI BEFORE THEY WENT IN, MRI AFTER.
THEY FOUND A REDUCTION IN COGNITIVE FUNCTION JUST AFTER ONE HOUR EXPOSURE.
IT CAN BE TO STUDY. NEXT. HERE'S WHY WE'RE SO PASSIONATE ABOUT IT.
THAT'S YOUR BODY, YOUR FAMILY'S BODY, YOUR KID'S BODY.
THE KIDS OUT THERE I COACH PLAYING SOCCER ALL THE TIME.
TEAM COACH FOR MANY YEARS IN SOCCER.
WHEN YOU INHALE THIS STUFF, IT JUST DOESN'T GO IN IT GOES THROUGHOUT YOUR ENTIRE BODY, YOUR CIRCULATORY SYSTEM, IN YOUR HEART, IN YOUR LUNGS AND NOW IN YOUR BRAIN, IN YOUR NERVOUS SYSTEM, AND IT CAUSES HAVOC, PREMATURE DEATHS, ETC.
YOU'VE GOT PETS, YOU'VE GOT ANIMALS, YOU'VE GOT WILDLIFE, YOU'VE GOT RESPIRATORY SYSTEM TOO, SO IT IMPACTS THEM.
ALL OF YOUR HEALTH BY ANYTHING THAT COMES OUT OF YOUR TAILPIPES, YOUR LAWN EQUIPMENT, YOUR CARS.
IF WE CAN REALLY TRY TO MEET CLEAN AIR STANDARDS, GET RID OF A LOT OF THESE STUFF BY ELECTRIFYING THINGS, HYDROGEN FUEL CELL REDUCING POLLUTION WE'D REDUCE 1,500 DEATHS A YEAR IN RIGHT, LEFT.
SECONDLY, WE REDUCE HOSPITALIZATIONS OR PREVENT THEM.
UNDERSTOOD WHAT I KNOW ABOUT TEAM ALL THE YEARS YOU COACH LIKE TEAM COACH MANY YEARS OVER THREE I'VE COACHED, AYSO HIGH-SCHOOL, COLLEGE.
I'VE NEVER HAD MORE THAN ONE KID ON A TEAM, IT'S USUALLY EVERY THREE OR FOUR YEARS WITH ASTHMA.
LAST YEAR, THREE KIDS ON A TEAM WITH ASTHMA AND NEBULIZERS AT EVERY PRACTICE AND HE GOT THE TEAM YOU'RE WATCHING THE GAME, HEY, YOU PRACTICE, CHRIS, SIT DOWN FOR A MINUTE I DON'T WANT TO GO IN THE HOSPITAL.
THERE'S 100,000 ASTHMATICS IN LA COUNTY.
ON THE RIGHT IF YOU IMPROVE AIR EQUALITY WILL SAVE THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM OVER BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
NEXT. THERE'S GOOD NEWS ON THE LEFT, THAT'S OZONE IT'S BEEN GOING DOWN, BUT IT'S LEVELING OFF.
WE NEED TO GET A LITTLE LOWER TO MEET FEDERAL STANDARDS.
ON THE RIGHT THERE, PURPLE AT THE TOP IN 2012.
THAT'S BAD BECAUSE CANCER CAUSING TOXIN ARE HEAVY.
BUT IN INTERVENING YEARS WE'VE REDUCED IT SIGNIFICANTLY WITH TECHNOLOGY AND STUFF, SO GETTING BETTER.
NEXT. THIS IS AGAIN THE CHALLENGES. WE DON'T CONTROL IT.
WE DO STATIONARY SOURCES, AQMD, BUT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS NOT DOING THEIR JOB WITH THE TRUCKS OUT THERE, OFF-ROAD EQUIPMENT SHIPS, TRAINS, AGAIN, PASSENGER AND FREIGHT. NEXT.
JUST A QUICK THING HERE. THREE AGENCIES REGULATE THEIR QUALITY IN THE LEFT SQUARES EPA FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, CENTER IS CALIFORNIA AIR RESOURCES BOARD IN SACRAMENTO AND RIGHT IS US.
HERE'S THE ONE THING, IF WE DON'T MEET CLEANER STANDARDS SOON, THERE'S A COUPLE OF YEARS AT THE BOTTOM 2023, THIS YEAR 2031.
HERE'S WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT COULD DO AND THEY THREATENED US.
EVERYBODY NEEDS A PERMIT GAS STATIONS, OIL REFINERIES, ETC, THEY COULD DOUBLE THEIR FEES.
IN THE MIDDLE, FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION, COULD TAKE AWAY ALL OUR MONEY.
ON THE RIGHT, AND THEY'VE ALMOST DONE THIS HERE WAS A DRAFT PLAN, ON MONDAYS THERE'S ONLY EVEN NUMBER CARS ON THE HIGHWAY, TUESDAY ONLY ODD NUMBER OF CARS.
THEY'RE SERIOUS REPERCUSSIONS.
NEXT. GOOD NEWS, THIS IS FOR ALL YOUR RESIDENTS, COUNCIL MEMBERS, STAFF, THERE'S MONEY AVAILABLE.
ON THE LEFT, $1,500 OFF, YOU WANT TO UPGRADE YOUR FURNACE, CLEAN YOUR FURNACE, $1,500 OFF.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU MAKE.
SECOND COLUMN, TURNING YOUR GAS-POWERED LAWNMOWER DON'T THINK IT'S SPARK PLUS GAS OIL ANYMORE I DID AT 20 YEARS AGO, $250 OFF YOUR LAWNMOWER BY GETTING STATE OF THE ART ALL ELECTRIC LAWNMOWER BATTERY-POWERED NO MORE CHORDS.
ALMOST BASICALLY COMPARABLE TO GAS EQUIPMENT.
THIRD COLUMN, THE ELECTRIC CAR, WE'LL GIVE YOU $250 FOR YOUR CHARGING STATION.
IF YOU DON'T MAKE AS MUCH MONEY, INCOME IS A LOW-LEVEL WE'LL GIVE YOU $500.
FINALLY, IF YOU'VE GOT AN OLD CAR, A POLLUTING ONE, ITS JUST BEEN SITTING THERE.
YOU WANT TO GET RID OF IT, TURN IT AND GET A CLEANER GAS CAR, AN ELECTRIC CAR, A PLUG-IN HYBRID, A HYDROGEN FUEL CELL.
DEPENDING ON YOUR INCOME, WILL GIVE YOU UP TO $9,500 OFF.
OR WE'VE HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE DOING THE LAST FEW MONTHS, THEY WANTED E-BIKES.
YOU'VE GOT AN EVENT COMING UP TO TIM, I THINK APRIL 23RD, WITH HEART OF THE VALLEY, OR SOMETHING, BIKES.
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>> YES. IT'S HEART OF THE FOOTHILL.
>> HEART OF THE FOOTHILL, SORRY. DO THAT AND IT'S SUCCESSFUL.
IF YOU WANT TRANSIT PASSES FOREVER, THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY AVAILABLE FOR RESIDENTS TO HELP YOU CLEAN UP THE AIR IN OUR BASIN.
AT THE BOTTOM, WE'LL BE COMING OUT WITH A PROGRAM, THAT LITTLE LONG LINE THERE SAYS, DEVELOPMENT OF A ZERO-EMISSION APPLIANCES AND SPACE HEATING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS FOR US, LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THAT WE SHOULD BE GIVING YOU MONEY TO TURN AWAY FROM NATURAL GAS.
NEXT. FOR CITIES COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES IN YOUR COMMUNITY AND I KNOW TIM, I WAS LOOKING RIGHT HERE BEFORE I CAME IN AND IT JUST CAME OUT, RAINBOW SEND IT OUT SATURDAY NIGHT.
YOU'VE GOT TO LA VERNE POWER EQUIPMENT.
AT THE STATE LEVEL RIGHT NOW, THEY HAVE A PROGRAM WHERE YOU GET UP TO 75% OFF MOM-AND-POP GARDENERS OUT THERE.
THEY ARE ASKING YOU TO TURN IN YOUR GAS EQUIPMENT.
THE STATE WILL GIVE YOU 75% OFF STATE OF THE ART ELECTRIC EQUIPMENT.
MOST OF IT'S 95-100% COMPARABLE TO GAS.
WE'RE DOING A STUDY TODAY AT LA UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT.
WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT EXACT SAME SIZE, ABOUT 200 BY 200 FEET, ALMOST AN ACRE.
WE GAVE THREE WEEDWACKERS; TWO WITH GAS AND ONE WITH BATTERY TO SEE WHO'D WIN.
BATTERIES NEVER WON USUALLY FAR BEHIND, TODAY IS THE FIRST-TIME BATTERY CRUSHED THE GAS PRODUCING EQUIPMENT.
I WAS A LITTLE LATE, I DIDN'T GET CHANCE TO SHAVE.
I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT, BECAUSE WE WE'RE AT MY YARD A TREE FELL.
WE DID A VIDEO OF CUTTING A TREE.
WE HAD AN ELECTRIC SAW WE WANTED TO SEE BECAUSE PEOPLE SAID DOESN'T WORK, 17 INCH DIAMETER WITHIN 17 SECONDS, [NOISE] RIGHT THROUGH IT LIKE BUTTER.
FOURTEEN INCH, 20 INCH ELECTRIC CHAINSAW.
NOW THIS PROGRAM WE HAVE AT AQMD SEPARATE FROM THE STATE, WE'LL GIVE YOU 85% OFF.
THIS IS FOR CITIES, SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
PASADENA IS TAKING ADVANTAGE, ALHAMBRA.
WE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF IT SOUTH PASADENA. WE'RE BUILDING QUARTERS.
WE WANT TO GET SOMETHING OUT THIS SIDE. TIM IS THINKING ABOUT IT.
IN POMONA WE'D LOVE TO HAVE SOMETHING HERE.
WE WILL HAVE STAFF COME OUT TO YOU, TRY THE EQUIPMENT FOR FREE FOR TWO, OR THREE WEEKS.
STATE OF THE ART RIDING LAWNMOWERS, 60-INCH, THAT COSTS $20,000.
IF YOU LIKE IT, IT'S AS GOOD AS THE GAS, IT'S GOING TO COST YOU $5,000.
NO MORE GAS, NO MORE OIL, NO MORE SPARK PLUGS, CLEANER SMELLING PEOPLE, PROTECTING YOUR YOUTH, THE KIDS THAT PLAY SOCCER IN YOUR COMMUNITY. WE'RE EXCITED.
BEN IS GOING TO SHOW YOU A DEMONSTRATION.
IF ANYBODY WANTS TO STAND NEXT TO ME WITH LONG HAIR, WENDY, [LAUGHTER] COUNCIL MEMBER, ROBIN CARDER.
I WAS JUST MAKING SOME SUGGESTIONS, YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME DOWN.
YOU'VE GOT HAIR LONGER THAN ME. [LAUGHTER].
>> I'VE SEEN MICHAEL DO THIS BEFORE AND IT ACTUALLY BLOWS EVERYTHING OFF THE TABLE.
>> HOLD YOUR STUFF. [LAUGHTER] BEN, GO AHEAD.
[NOISE] BEN IS BLOWING MY HAIR, TAKE IT UP AND HARDER.
[NOISE] VERY STRONG. THANK YOU, BEN.
[LAUGHTER] THIS IS TYPICAL OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE NOW.
BEFORE FIVE,10 YEARS AGO, WE WOULDN'T DO THIS. [BACKGROUND].
>> [LAUGHTER] I LIKE HOW IT DRAGGED YOUR HAIR.
>> MICHAEL, I'M NOT GOING TO LIE.
>> YES. THREE YEARS OLD, IT'S LIKE THE MORE YOU BLOW THEY'RE JUST LIKE.
>> I SHOULD HAVE INVITED HIM, SORRY TIM.
>> PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE SAID THAT, BUT HE LOVES IT.
>> GOOD. THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY AVAILABLE AGAIN FOR CITIES AND STUFF.
AT THE STATE LEVEL, WE ADMINISTER A LOT OF PROGRESS IN THE STATE CAB.
RIGHT NOW, OUR PROGRAMS ABOUT ANOTHER TWO MONTHS IS A RESOURCES AT BORE CALM WATERS IS $51 MILLION.
IF HE GOT PUBLIC WORKS TRUCKS AS YOU GO THROUGH THE NEXT BUDGET, SOME OLD TRUCKS, YOU WANT TO GET RID OF SOME DIESEL.
THERE'S ELECTRIC, THERE'S PLUG-IN HYBRID, THERE'S FUEL CELL, THERE'S NATURAL GAS.
WE GOT, I THINK $70,000 OFF FOR THAT SHUTTLE THROUGH A STATE PROGRAM AND WE ADMINISTER THOSE PROGRAMS. HEAVY-DUTY TRUCKS, YOU MAY HAVE SOME BUSINESSES HERE. THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY.
WE UNFORTUNATELY, TWO YEARS AGO I FOUGHT FOR US BUT I DIDN'T GET THE VOTES.
WE GAVE $50 MILLION AWAY IN THAT EMPIRE TO CONVERT THE DIESEL TRUCKS, CHARGING STATIONS, INFRASTRUCTURE.
THERE'S MONEY AVAILABLE NOW FOR LA COUNTY, IF YOU'VE GOT BUSINESSES THAT YOU KNOW THAT WANT THAT MONEY, APPLY FOR THE MONEY.
WE'LL HELP THEM GET IT FOR THE TRUCKS.
NEXT. THE VERNE, YOU'VE TAKEN ADVANTAGE A LOT OF MONEY LAST SEVERAL YEARS, $233,000 FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF EQUIPMENT, ETC.
IN THE MIDDLE OF MOBILE SOURCE AIR POLLUTION REDUCTION COMMITTEE.
WHEN EVERYONE OF YOU REGISTERS YOUR CAR, $4 OF THAT MONEY GOES INTO THREE FUNDS.
THE CITY GETS OF THAT $4 EVERY SINGLE YEAR YOU REGISTER A CAR, YOU GET 40% IN, 40% THAT JUST KEEPS BUILDING UP TILL YOU USE IT.
IT CAN ONLY BE USED FOR REDUCING MOBILE SOURCE POLLUTION.
YOU GOT TO GET ELECTRIC CARS, HYDROGEN FUELED CARS, TRUCKS.
YOU CAN PUT IN MORE CNG INFRASTRUCTURE, CHARGING STATIONS, HEAVY-DUTY, LEVEL 2S, LEVEL 3S, BUT YOU'VE GOT TO REDUCE MOBILE SOURCE POLLUTION, GIVE PEOPLE TRANSIT PASSES, STAFF TRANSIT PASSAGE.
NEW ONE, 30% OF THAT GOES INTO COMMITTEE AND THEY JUST GIVE MONEY AWAY EVERY YEAR, $15 MILLION IN THIS BASIN.
YOU CAN APPLY FOR THAT. THE BOTTOM, THAT'S YOUR MONEY.
YOU HAD IT, I THINK THAT BALANCE OF A HALF-A-MILLION DOLLARS, 2020,
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YOU'VE USED A LOT, 2021 STILL GOT A LOT OF MONEY IN THERE.YOU CAN USE IT IN EITHER CAR PULLS, PUBLIC TRANSIT.
USE THAT MONEY IS SITTING THERE.
PLEASE USE IT TO REDUCE POLLUTION AND SAVE ON YOUR BUDGET.
NEXT. ON THE LEFT, IF YOU INTRODUCE SMALL BUSINESSES ASSISTANTS, WE'LL HAVE STAFF COME OUT THERE AND HELP THEM.
WHETHER IT'S A GAS STATION, IT CAN BE ANY OIL REFINERIES HERE.
IT COULD BE A FACTORY, A SMALL FACTORY, A WAREHOUSE, HAS SOME ISSUES WITH SOME OF OUR RULES, WE'LL SEND STAFF TO ASSIST THEM.
AT THE BOTTOM, IF THERE'S A COMPLAINT, YOU SMELL AN ODOR, LET US KNOW WE'LL COME OUT.
WE WANT TO KEEP THEM IN BUSINESS BUT THERE ARE SOME TOXIC CHEMICALS.
THE STUFF YOU STERILIZE MEDICAL EQUIPMENT WITH, WE REGULATE THEM.
WE DIDN'T REALIZE HOW SERIOUS THE STERILIZATION ETHYLENE OXIDE WAS TILL WE PUT OUR MONITORS OUT THERE AND TALK TO THE SCIENTISTS, CAUSES BRAIN DAMAGE.
SEVERAL, ONE IN ONTARIO AND TWO IN LOS ANGELES COUNTY.
WE'VE HAD TO SHUT ONE DOWN AND WORK WITH THEM TO IMPROVE BECAUSE IT'S DANGEROUS TO THE RESIDENTS.
WHEN I WAS IN SAN FERNANDO FOUR WEEKS AGO, THE COUNCIL MEMBER, BROUGHT UP, MIKE THERE'S A ALL-AMERICAN ASPHALT AT THE BORDER OF OUR CITIES, IT'S IN OUR CITY, WE SMELL AT THE PARKS.
WE SENT FIVE STAFF OUT THERE THE NEXT DAY THEY WERE CLOSED IN ON THE FOLLOWING DAY.
EVERYTHING IS OKAY THAT DAY THEY WE'RE WATERING STUFF DOWN THAT THEY THINK THEY KNEW WHEN YOU'RE OUT.
BUT WE ISSUED SOME NOTIONS OF VIOLATION BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T KEEPING RECORDS.
THEN WE WENT TO THE SCHOOLS AND THE PARKS AND SAID, HERE'S INFORMATION, CALL US, WE'LL SEND OUR STAFF OUT.
WE WANT TO KEEP THEM OPEN, BUT IF THEY'RE NOT FOLLOWING, WE WANT TO PROTECT YOU.
WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT, I'LL EVEN COME OUT TOO.
THE SECOND ONE, THERE IS A FREE MOBILE APP.
WHEN I COME IN TODAY TO MY CITIES, TODAY I TOOK THE GOLD LINE, TIM, YOU'LL BE HAPPY.
ROBINSON YOU'RE HAPPY TOO. [LAUGHTER] THEN I GOT ON THE 188 FOOT HILL TRANSIT.
THIS ONE DIDN'T BREAK DOWN LIKE IT DID LAST WEEK ON MY WAY TO INDUSTRY.
THANK GOD FOR BEN PICKING ME UP.
BUT I CAN CHECK YOUR AIR QUALITY AND TIM AND YOUR EQUALITY TODAY IS, LET'S SEE, AGREE IS VERY GOOD, 44, WHICH MEANS YOU'RE UNDER 50.
GREAT AIR QUALITY IN CITY LA VERNE.
>> ON THE THIRD COLUMN, WE'VE GOT AIR MONITORS THROUGHOUT THE FOUR COUNTIES.
WE MONITOR FOR YOUR HEALTH AND WE ALSO MONITOR FOR DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS IN CASE THERE'S AN ATTACK.
RIGHT SIDE, THAT IS YOU NEED TO STORE AND BUY AIR QUALITY SENSORS AND SEE WHAT YOUR AIR QUALITY IS AT YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND STUFF.
WE HAVE AN AIR QUALITY SENSOR PERFORMANCE EVALUATION CENTER WHERE YOU CAN BRING IT IN AND WE'LL TELL YOU IF IT'S WORKING, IF IT'S GOOD ENOUGH.
NEXT. FINALLY, IF YOU NEED HELP, YOU CAN CALL ME DIRECTLY, SEND ME AN EMAIL.
I'LL BE HAPPY TO COME OUT, WORK WITH YOU ON ANY ISSUES YOU MAY HAVE, OR NEED SUPPORT ON.
I'VE GOT RAINBOW, YOU GET HER EMAILS ALL THE TIME.
THEN THOSE ARE ON MY CONSULTANTS.
HE'S GOT A COUNCIL MEETING TONIGHT SO HE COULDN'T COME.
BUT QUESTIONS, MR. MAYOR, WHATEVER I CAN DO TO SUPPORT LET ME KNOW.
>> MICHAEL AS USUAL. THANK YOU.
COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MICHAEL?
>> WE HAVE A NEW PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR AND SHE WILL BE GETTING ALL THE INFORMATION AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN START UTILIZING SOME OF THIS STUFF TO MAKE IT A CLEANER ENVIRONMENT FOR OUR CITY.
>> LET HER KNOW OUR NUMBER WE'RE HAPPY TO CONTACT YOU PERSONALLY. THANK YOU.
>> JUST EVERYBODY KNOWS MICHAEL USES A POWERED BIKE.
NOT A POWERED BIKE, BUT A MAN POWERED, OR A FEMALE POWERED BIKE.
HE RIDES EVERYWHERE. HE TAKES THE BUSES, AS HE SAID.
WE HAVE A LOT OF MEETINGS WITH THE SANGER VALLEY COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS AND BEING THE PREVIOUS MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER.
BUT HE GOES TO EVERY SINGLE COMMUNITY ON HIS BIKE AND RAPID TRANSIT TO GET WHERE HE NEEDS TO GO SO KUDOS TO YOU.
YOU'RE A TESTAMENT TO AQMD, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE.
ALSO RAINBOW IS AT MOST OF THE MEETINGS THAT WE GO TO FOR ALL OF THE COMMITTEES AND WE JUST NEED TO JUMP ON AND GET THIS MONEY, DON'T WE?
>> YEAH. YOU'RE SITTING THERE.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [APPLAUSE].
>> WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A THREE-MINUTE BREAK AND LET PEOPLE THAT FOR THE PRESENTATION THAT WE'RE HERE, THEY CAN LEAVE IF THEY LIKE TO.
WE'LL TAKE A THREE-MINUTE BREAK. MR. DAHMER.
>> I WAS GOING TO SAY I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP DURING THE ANNOUNCEMENTS OUR NEW PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR JUST TO SHOW HERSELF OFF, SHE'S RIGHT IN FRONT.
ALREADY PASSING OUT CARDS [OVERLAPPING].
>> SHE KNOWS I LIKE MONEY, FREE MONEY.
>> I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE MEG MCWADE AS OUR NEW PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY OF LA VERNE.
>> I THINK, IS IT ON? YOU NEED TO GET CLOSER.
MEG MCWADE IS OUR NEW PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY OF LA VERNE.
MEG, DO YOU WANT TO SAY A FEW THINGS?
>> I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.
I BRING ROUGHLY OVER 30 YEARS.
I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT I'M SEASONED, BUT I BRING A LOT OF EXPERIENCE AND I'M SO EXCITED TO BE HERE. THANK YOU.
[ANNOUNCEMENTS OF UPCOMING COMMUNITY EVENTS]
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THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING TO ANNOUNCEMENTS OF UPCOMING COMMUNITY EVENTS.MS. BEST, JERRY BEST, COME ON UP.
>> FIRST OF ALL, HOW WOULD WE DO THIS WEEKEND AT THE EXCELLENT.
>> I LOVE THE EXCELLENT ADVENTURE BOY WAS THAT FUN.
WE HAD OUR CANDY, WE HAD STICKERS FOR THE KIDDIES, AND A LOT OF GOODWILL AND FUN TIMES AND WE CLEARED ABOUT 100 BUCKS.
WHAT CAN? I SAY ONE JAR OF JELLY AT A TIME WHEN WE'RE DOING IT.
LA VERNE HISTORICAL SOCIETY IS ADDED AGAIN.
THIS SATURDAY WE ARE GOING TO GO VISIT UPLANDS COOPER REGIONAL HISTORY MUSEUM.
I CAN GO CHECK IT OUT AND TAKE PICTURES OF THE EXHIBITS AND THINK ABOUT MAYBE HOW WE MIGHT EXHIBIT SOME OF OUR ARTIFACTS SOMEDAY WITH LAVERNE HISTORICAL SOCIETY.
YOU CAN EITHER MEET US THERE OR IF YOU WANT A CARPOOL, YOU CAN CONTACT ME AND WE CAN MAKE THOSE ARRANGEMENTS TO CARPOOL, BUT IT'S OUR NEIGHBOR RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER AND OUTPUT, SO WE SHOULD FIND OUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN NEIGHBORING CITIES, THAT'S THIS SATURDAY.
NOW, ON THE 6TH OF MAY, WE ARE GOING TO TOUR THE OPULENT AND AMAZING NETHER CUT MUSEUM COLLECTION IN SYLMAR.
I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A NOT TO BE BELIEVED COLLECTION THAT WAS GATHERED TOGETHER BY THE PERSON WHO WAS THE HEIR TO THE MERLE NORMAN COSMETICS FORTUNE.
IT SOUNDS LIKE HE SPENT MONEY LIKE A DRUNKEN SAILOR.
HE HAS A COLLECTION OF ANTIQUE CARS THAT WOULD RIVAL JAY LENOS.
IF ANTIQUE CARS ARE NOT YOUR THING, THERE'S MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS AND ARTICULATED TOYS I THINK AND EVERYTHING, WHATEVER STRUCK HIS FANCY, HE COLLECTED TO BUILDING'S WORTH.
WE'RE GOING TO PICK UP THE BUS AND FRONT OF MY HOUSE.
THIS IS A BUS THAT COMES TO US FROM SUPERVISOR KATHERINE BERGER, WE NEED TO FILL THE BUS SO 55 PEOPLE WE HAVE ROOM FOR AND THEY WILL TAKE US OUT TO THE NETHER CUT.
IT IS A COST OF $30, WHICH INCLUDES A SPECIAL DOCENT LEAD TOUR OF THE NETHER CUT AND YOU WILL THEN BRING YOUR OWN LUNCH AND IT'S MODEST FUNDRAISER FOR THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY.
COME SUPPORT US AND HAVE A REALLY FUN DAY AND SEE A LOT OF COOL STUFF AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE.
WE WILL BE AT THE SAN GABRIEL VALLEY HEART OF THE FOOTHILLS EVENT ON THE 23RD.
WELL, COME BUY ITEMS FROM THE LA VERNE HISTORICAL SOCIETY.
THIS IS ANOTHER FUNDRAISER FOR US.
HELP US GET THAT TRUCK OVER THE LINE SO WE CAN SEE IT AT 4TH OF JULY PARADE.
THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY.
I'LL PUT THE FLYERS OUT ON THE TABLE.
>> HOW WOULD YOU GUYS DO AT THE BENITO CAR SHOW?
AT BENITO IN A CAR SHOW, THE PERSON WHO WON THE 50,50 RAFFLE DONATED THE PROCEEDS TO US.
WE MADE ALMOST $900 IN THE CAR SHOW.
IT IS ALMOST ENOUGH FOR THE NEW RADIATOR YES.
>> IF ANYBODY HAS CHANGED TONIGHT?
>> THE FEES TO JOIN A LIFETIME MEMBERSHIP.
>> WHAT DOES IT JUST FOR A YEARLY MEMBERSHIP?
>> PER PERSON OR 25 FOR A FAMILY MEMBERSHIP.
>> THAT'S RIGHT. I'VE GOT ONE JAR OF JELLY STILL WAITING TO BE SOLD TONIGHT.
>> I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE HERE WHEN YOU COME IN.
>> COME IN BY. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> THANK YOU, SHERRY. ANYBODY ELSE FOR ANNOUNCEMENTS? [APPLAUSE]
>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DON KENDRICK, 2383RD STREET IN LA VERNE.
FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK WHOEVER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE VFW LEADING THE FLAG SALUTE AS A PROUD VETERAN.
>> IT MEANS A LOT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I'M HERE THIS EVENING TO ANNOUNCE A NEW FACEBOOK PAGE THAT HAS BEEN SET UP CALLED LA VERNE BEST.
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THE LAVERNE BEST FACEBOOK PAGE IS DEDICATED TO SHARING WITH OUR RESIDENTS THE UNCOMMON GOOD WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.THE IDEA IS TO SHARE THESE IDEAS THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA. HOW DOES IT WORK? WHEN THESE CARRYING AND GENEROUS ACTS OF KINDNESS OCCUR, AND YOU ARE EITHER PART OF IT OR AN OBSERVER, IT IS HOPED THAT YOU WILL WRITE UP A SHORT DESCRIPTION AND SUBMIT IT WITH ANY PHOTOS VIA EMAIL TO LA VERNE BESTSTORY@GMAIL.COM.
AGAIN, LA VERNE BESTSTORY@GMAIL.COM.
OR VIA DIRECT MESSAGE ON FACEBOOK.
THE SUBMISSIONS WILL BE REVIEWED TO ENSURE THEY FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES AND THEN POSTED SO OUR COMMUNITY THAT IS COMPRISED OF LA VERNE RESIDENTS, BUSINESS OWNERS, ORGANIZATIONS, AND EMPLOYEES CAN CELEBRATE THE KINDNESS WITHIN OUR CITY.
ALL ASPECTS OF LIFE AND LA VERNE WILL BE INCLUDED.
SCHOOLS, PTAS, SPORTS ORGANIZATIONS, CHURCHES, VETERANS, AND FOREIGN WARS POST 12034, WHICH WE SAW TONIGHT.
RETIRED SENIOR VOLUNTEER PATROL WHICH ARE ALL OVER THE CITY DOING GREAT THINGS.
ALL CITY DEPARTMENTS AND EMPLOYEES, MOBILE HOME PARKS, HILLCREST, HAYNES FAMILY SERVICES INCLUDING DAVID MARGARET HOME, CLUBS, BOY SCOUTS AND GIRL SCOUTS, CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, HISTORICAL SOCIETY, WHO WE JUST HEARD FROM.
LOTS OF GOOD THINGS GO ON THERE.
SOWING SEEDS FOR LIFE, WHICH WAS POSTED TODAY ABOUT ALL THE GOODNESS THAT THEY DO WITHIN THIS COMMUNITY.
YOUTH AND FAMILY ACTION AND OTHERS.
MANY VIGILANT CITIZENS WILL BE CONSTANTLY ON THE ALERT, A WATCHDOG THING, INCLUDING HOPEFULLY ALL OF YOU DO SPREAD THE GOODNESS OF OUR CITY.
PLEASE GO TO LA VERNE BEST ON FACEBOOK AND SIGN UP.
SOME OF THE CRITERIA INCLUDES ALWAYS KEEP IT POSITIVE.
ACTS OF KINDNESS AND CARRYING.
NO POLITICS, NO PROMOTIONAL OR SPAN, KEEP IT CLEAN AND MAINTAIN MUTUAL RESPECT.
IF YOU GET CAUGHT DOING AN ACT OF KINDNESS THAT SOMEONE IS A WITNESS TO, AND YOU THINK NOTHING OF IT AND IT GETS POSTED ON LA VERNE BEST.
CONGRATULATIONS AND THANK YOU FOR HELPING MAKE OUR CITY THE BEST IT CAN BE.
IT CAN BE OR SAID SLIGHTLY DIFFERENTLY.
I HAVE A NUMBER OF FLYERS ON THIS THAT I'LL SET ON THE TABLE YOU'RE WALKING TO PICK ONE UP.
THEY HAVE QR CODES, SO IT MAKES IT REAL EASY FOR YOU TO GET ON.
WE'D LOVE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU TO NOT ONLY GET ON, BUT WE'RE PARTICIPANT AND LOOK FOR ALL THE KINDNESS AND THE GOODNESS IN OUR CITY. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO ANNOUNCE ANYTHING? DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ON? COUNCIL MEMBERS ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS? JUST A COUPLE I THINK WILL PROBABLY DO IT AGAIN. MR. ALLISON.
>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
JUST WANTED TO REMIND EVERYBODY ABOUT THE COUNCIL MEETING THIS WEDNESDAY AT 05:00 P.M. AT HILLCREST IN THE CITRUS MEETING ROOM.
WE HAVE A GREAT UPDATE COME IN AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING EVERYBODY. HAVE A GOOD EVENING.
>> JUST A COUPLE OF ANNOUNCEMENTS.
IF ANYONE IS FREE AND AVAILABLE ON WEDNESDAY, APRIL 5TH, THERE IS GOING TO BE A BLOOD DRIVE FOR THE LA VERNE COMMUNITY HELD AT THE VETERAN'S HALL FROM 10:00 A.M. TO 04:00 P.M.
APPOINTMENTS ARE PREFERRED, BUT WALK-INS ARE WELCOME.
IF YOU GIVE BLOOD ON WEDNESDAY, YOU GET A FREE LA COUNTY FAIR TICKET AND RED CROSS T-SHIRT.
IF YOU'RE NOT MOTIVATED BY THAT, I HOPE YOU'RE MOTIVATED BY HOPEFULLY GIVING BACK BY DONATING YOUR BLOOD.
THE OTHER COUPLE OF THINGS I WANTED TO ANNOUNCE APRIL 8TH, WHICH IS THIS SATURDAY, THERE IS AN LA COUNTY FAIR JOB THERE.
THEY'RE LOOKING FOR FOLKS TO WORK THE LA COUNTY FAIR.
PERHAPS IF YOU'VE GOT INDIVIDUALS IN YOUR FAMILY, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN SOME WORK FOR THE FAIR SEASON, THERE IS A JOB FAIR FROM 8:30-2:00 PM AT THE FAIR FLEX.
THE JOB, THEIR ENTRANCE IS GOING TO BE AT GATE 9 ON WHITE.
THEN FROM APRIL 14TH THROUGH THE 15TH, THERE IS A WEST COAST HISTORICAL MILITARY COLLECTORS SHOW.
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I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THIS ONE BECAUSE ACTIVE MILITARY AND THEIR FAMILIES DO RECEIVE FREE ADMISSION.IT'S SHOWCASING A HUGE ASSORTMENT OF HISTORICAL MILITARY ANTIQUES, COLLECTIBLES FROM ALL TIME PERIODS AND COUNTRIES.
THE FAIR FLEX DOES HOLD OTHER EVENTS, BUT THOSE WERE THE TWO THAT I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT FOR ANYONE WHO MIGHT BE INTERESTED.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER LAU.
ALSO, JUST A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT ARE GOING TO BE HAPPENING HERE VERY QUICKLY.
WEDNESDAY, APRIL 5TH, 09:00 A.M-11:30 P.M. SIDEWALK COLORING CONTEST AT MONERO SQUARE AND WILL BE POSTED OUT ON OUR WEBSITE, THE CITY WEBSITE, BUT THAT'S A HOT DATE.
THEN SATURDAY, APRIL 8TH AT 10:00 A.M, WE HAVE OUR COOL CAR SHOW DOWNTOWN LA VERNE AT 10:00 A.M. AND ALSO AT URV FROM 12:30 P.M. TO 02:00 P.M. ON THURSDAY, APRIL 6 THIS WEEK, YOU'LL BE MENTAL HEALTH AND WELL-BEING PROGRAM TOUR WILL POST THOSE ON OUR CITY WEBSITE, MR. DONORS THAT CORRECT.
THAT SHOULD DO IT NOW OR ANYBODY ELSE? WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENTS.
[CONSENT CALENDAR]
WE'LL MOVE TO CONSENT CALENDAR.AS A REMINDER, THE CONSENT CALENDAR IS CONSIDERED ROUTINE MATTERS AND WE'LL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION UNLESS PULLED FOR SEPARATE DISCUSSION.
MR. DOMAIN, WERE SOME ITEMS PULLED FOR THIS CONSENT CALENDAR?
>> YES, MR. MAYOR, ITEMS NUMBER 3 AND ITEM NUMBER 4, WE'RE PULLED BY A RESIDENT AND WE CAN REMOVE THOSE, BUT WE CAN VOTE ON THE REMAINDER OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR, CORRECT?
>> I WILL NOT BE VOTING ON THREE BECAUSE I'M A MEMBER OF THE CHURCH OF THE BRETHREN. THEN YOU RE-EXCUSE YOURSELF.
>> WITH THAT, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE ITEMS?
>> I MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR, THE REMAINING ITEMS ALL EXCEPT NUMBER 3 AND NUMBER 4.
[BACKGROUND] MR. DAHMER, WHO WAS THE PERSON THAT PULL THESE ITEMS THAT WILL JUST SPEAK ON THESE
>> THIS WAS PULLED BY DANITA BEAUCHAMP.
>> MRS. BEAUCHAMP, YOU HAVE THE MIC.
>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
THE REASON I HAD THIS PULLED WAS FOR THE EXACT REASON THAT MR. JOHNSON LEFT THE ROOM.
I FEEL THAT THERE IS A CONFLICT OF INTERESTS.
ACCORDING TO THE NATIONAL CONFERENCE OF STATE LEGISLATURES, IT EXPLAINS THAT NO PUBLIC OFFICIAL AT ANY LEVEL OF STATE OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT SHALL MAKE, PARTICIPATE IN MAKING OR ANYWAY, ATTEMPT TO USE HIS OFFICIAL POSITION TO INFLUENCE A GOVERNMENTAL DECISION IN WHICH HE OR SHE KNOWS OR HAS REASON OR KNOWS THAT HE HAS A FINANCIAL INTERESTS, THAT IS QUOTED FROM THE GOVERNMENT CODE 87100.
EVEN IF IT DOESN'T FALL WITHIN THE LEGALITY OF THE DEFINITION OF CONFLICT OF INTERESTS.
I BELIEVE THAT THE CHURCH MEMBERS AND ATTENDERS WHO ARE COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY HAVE PERSONAL BIASES TOWARDS THE CHURCH THAT COULD INFLUENCE THEIR DECISION-MAKING PROCESS.
THEY MAY FEEL A SENSE OF LOYALTY OR OBLIGATION TO THE CHURCH THAT COULD CLOUD THEIR JUDGMENT AND LEAD TO DECISIONS THAT ARE NOT IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE COMMUNITY.
THE CHURCH MAY ALSO HAVE FINANCIAL TIES TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THROUGH DONATIONS, SUCH AS THE ELECTIONS THAT JUST RECENTLY TOOK PLACE, AND OR OTHER MEANS WHICH COULD CREATE A CONFLICT OF INTERESTS FINANCIALLY.
THE FINANCIAL RELATIONSHIP COULD POTENTIALLY INFLUENCE A COUNCIL MEMBERS DECISION-MAKING PROCESS AS THEY MAY BE MORE INCLINED TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE CHURCH TO MAINTAIN THESE FINANCIAL TIES.
EVEN IF THERE IS NO ACTUAL CONFLICT OF INTERESTS, THE PERCEPTION OF BIAS CAN BE DAMAGING TO THE COUNSEL'S REPUTATION AND THE PUBLIC'S TRUST IN THE GOVERNMENT OR A LACK THEREOF.
IF IT APPEARS THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBER IS FAVORING THE CHURCH OVER OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS OR ORGANIZATIONS, IT COULD CREATE DISTRUST AND UNDERMINE THE LEGITIMACY OF THE COUNCIL'S DECISION.
FINALLY, AS IT IS EXPLAINED IN OUR CONSTITUTION THERE IS A SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.
THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES ESTABLISHES A SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE, WHICH MEANS A GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS SHOULD NOT BE INFLUENCED BY THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS OR AFFILIATIONS WHEN MAKING THESE DECISIONS.
IF A CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, RELIGIOUS BELIEFS OR AFFILIATION ARE INFLUENCING THEIR DECISIONS,
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IT COULD BE SEEN AS A VIOLATION OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT AND LEAD TO LEGAL CHALLENGES AND OR FUTURE LITIGATION CONSEQUENCES.I KNOW THAT MR. HEPBURN WAS A PREVIOUS ATTENDER OR A MEMBER OF THE CHURCH.
I DON'T KNOW IF OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE NOT, AND SO I FEEL THAT EVEN IF YOU ARE NOT CURRENTLY THERE, AT SOME POINT YOU DID HAVE AN AFFILIATION WITH THE CHURCH AND SHOULD ALSO RECUSE YOURSELF.
>> I'M GOING TO ASK THE ATTORNEY. CAN I STOP YOU ONE SECOND?
>> NO, BECAUSE YOU'LL CUT INTO MY THREE MINUTES.
>> I'M NOT GOING TO CUT IN YOUR THREE MINUTES.
THIS IS A VERY GOOD QUESTION BECAUSE I HAVE NOT BEEN ENACTED [OVERLAPPING]
>> WELL MR. DAHMER EXPLAINED IT TO ME IN AN EMAIL, BUT I STILL FEEL LIKE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE EXPLAINED IN MORE DETAIL AND I THINK THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY WOULD BE BEST TO HANDLE THIS.
>> WELL, IF I CAN JUST FINISH MINE, I WAS AN ACTIVE MEMBER WHEN THE CHILDREN WERE YOUNG, BUT I HAVE NOT BEEN AN ACTIVE MEMBER FOR MORE THAN 15 YEARS.
I WAS ON THE HILLCREST, NOT HILLCREST, BUT CHURCH OF THE BRETHREN BOARD OF DIRECTORS, BUT THAT WAS ALSO FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO.
I KNOW THERE'S SOME AFFILIATION THERE, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT HAS MS. BEAUCHAMP STATED I DIDN'T REALLY THINK ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT'S BEEN SO LONG SINCE I'VE BEEN A MEMBER OR AN ACTIVE MEMBER.
>> GIVEN THAT YOU ARE NOT CURRENTLY BOARD OF DIRECTORS MEMBER, AND NOT ACTIVE IN THE CHURCH, AND ALSO THAT IS NOT A SOURCE OF INCOME TO YOU, IT'S NOT A CONFLICT OF INTERESTS.
IT IS YOUR DECISION TO DETERMINE WHETHER YOU HAVE A BIAS THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM ACTING FAIRLY AND IN THE CITY'S BEST INTERESTS IN THIS SITUATION, IN THE ABSENCE OF EVIDENCE OF SUCH A BIAS YOU CERTAINLY MAY PRACTICE.
> THAT'S THE END OF MY COMMENT, BUT I DID WANT TO THANK MR. DAHMER FOR GETTING BACK TO ME THROUGH EMAIL AND GIVING ME A MORE DETAILED EXPLANATION AS IT, BUT I STILL FELT LIKE MY COMMENTS WERE NECESSARY FOR THE PUBLIC TO HEAR.
>> I APPRECIATE THAT. [OVERLAPPING] MS. BEAUCHAMP.
ITEM NUMBER 4? [OVERLAPPING] I'M SORRY, ONE AT A TIME.
>> WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 3.
UNLESS SOMEONE ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 3, PLEASE.
>> GOOD EVENING MAYOR, COUNCIL.
I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS.
THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF DETAIL IN THE PACKAGE YOU HAVE, I DIDN'T PRINT THE WHOLE THING OUT.
HOW MANY SPACES ARE WE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT?
>> YEAH. YOU'RE GIVING AWAY YOUR THERE'LL BE A TRADING MONEY.
>> THERE'LL BE A TOTAL OF 50 SPACES.
PREVIOUSLY, WE HAD 32 WE'RE ADDING 18 INTO IT WITH THIS LICENSE AGREEMENT.
>> HOW MUCH IS THIS WORTH? THERE'S NO MONETARY VALUE ON THIS.
SEEMS TO ME, I LOOKED AT IT AND THEY TALKED ABOUT REPAVING IT FOR, IN TODAY'S DOLLARS 95,000, I'M DOING ENOUGH MEMORY, SO I'M NOT SURE.
BUT THERE MUST BE A DOLLAR VALUE ATTACHED TO ALL THIS AND BE INTERESTING, TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW.
>> LAST COUPLE OF SENTENCES OF THE DISCUSSION RIGHT ABOVE THE FISCAL ANALYSIS, IT TALKS ABOUT THAT THE VALUE OF THE 50 STALLS IS ABOUT 6,333 A YEAR OR $127 PER STALL.
THAT $95,000 ALSO INCLUDES THE PAVEMENT AND REDOING OTHER PUBLIC ALLEY, SO ACTUALLY THE AMOUNT OF MONEY INVESTED IN THE PROPERTY ITSELF IS LESS THAN THAT.
BUT WE ESTIMATE IT'S ABOUT 127 PER STALL PER YEAR.
>> OUT OF CURIOSITY, WHEN MIGHT THE PAVEMENT BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT WHEN YOU MAKE AN ESTIMATE, IT RARELY ENDS UP BEING THAT AND IT'S NEVER UNDER, ARE THE IMPLICATIONS FOR OVERAGES?
>> WELL, AGAIN, IT'S AN ESTIMATE, AND WE'RE GOING TO REDO IT BECAUSE THAT'S THE VALUE OF IT AND IT'S ALSO FOR THE PUBLIC ALLEY.
WE'RE GOING TO BE REDOING THE PARKING LOT THIS SUMMER TIME-FRAME WHEN WE DO OUR NORMAL PAVEMENTS SO WE CAN ROLL IT INTO A LARGER PROJECT AND GET SOME EFFICIENCIES THERE.
>> YOU RECEIVED A BID ALREADY.
>> WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED A BID. AGAIN THAT'S AN ESTIMATE.
>> YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE ON THIS WITHOUT KNOWING.
>> IT'LL COME BACK TO US IF THERE'S ANY EGREGIOUS CHANGES. IS THAT CORRECT, MR. DAHMER?
>> ABSOLUTELY. THE CONTRACT WILL COME TO YOU.
>> WHAT WOULD EGREGIOUS, OUT OF CURIOSITY MEAN, IF THE BID CAME IN AT 120,000?
>> AGAIN, I KNOW THAT THERE'S MONIES IN OUR ACCOUNTS FOR OUR CIP AND FOR THE ALLEY AS HE'S SAYING.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ESTIMATE TO BE A QUALITY OF HAVING THE CONTRACTOR WHO'S DOING THAT INCLUDE THAT IN HIS WORK.
>> AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO BE PART OF A LARGER PROJECTS, SO THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME EFFICIENCIES, SO IT'S GOING TO BE WITH OTHER STREET PROJECTS.
BUT IF WE FOUND SOME UNDISCOVERED ISSUES WITH BECAUSE WE TALKED
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ABOUT REPAIRING THE TREE WELLS AND THE CAR STOPS WHICH ARE PRETTY INEXPENSIVE.BUT IF THERE WAS SOMETHING MAJOR IN THAT, YES, WE WOULD BRING IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
>> WOULD THE PUBLIC KNOW WHAT THE BID IS? WILL THAT BE PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE?
>> THANK YOU, MR. BOWEN. MISS. KULUSICH?
>> KATHY KULUSICH, 2242 THIRD STREET, AS A LONG-TERM RESIDENT OF DOWNTOWN LA VERNE AND HAVING FAMILY THAT HAD BUSINESSES IN DOWNTOWN LA VERNE, IT'S MUCH NEEDED PARKING, WE NEED ALL WE CAN GET.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA IN THANKS YOU GUYS FOR WORKING ON IT.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON ITEM 3? WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT BACK THE DAS DO I HAVE A MOTION?
>> I MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT, ITEM NUMBER 3, BRETHREN PARKING LICENSE AGREEMENTS.
>> THAT WAS APPROVED BY FOUR, NOTHING.
>> WAIT FOR MR. JOHNSON TO RETURN.
>> [BACKGROUND] WE MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER 4 MR. DOMER, AND THAT WAS PULLED BY WHO?
>> MAYOR, THAT WAS ALSO PULLED BY THE NEED TO BUILD CAMP.
>> MS. BEAUCHAMP, YOU HAVE THE MIC TURN.
>> FOR THOSE WHO MAY NOT HAVE AN AGENDA IN FRONT OF THEM.
ITEM NUMBER 4 AND THE CONSENT CALENDAR IS REGARDING THE HOUSING ELEMENT REPORT THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
WHEN ELECTED OFFICIALS DO NOT PROVIDE CORRECTED DATA TO THE PUBLIC BEFORE VOTING UPON IT, IT CAN BE CONSIDERED A BREACH OF PUBLIC TRUST AND CAN LEAD TO A LACK OF TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY IN GOVERNMENT DECISION-MAKING.
AT THE HOUSING ELEMENT, BOTH THE STEADY SESSION AND THE MEETING WHERE YOU VOTED TO APPROVE, MRS. GALVEDON AND I BOTH POINTED OUT NUMEROUS ERRONEOUS DATA THAT WAS IN THAT PRESENTATION AND AT NO TIME WAS IT EVER CORRECTED AND RE-PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC, YET THE CITY COUNCIL VOTED TO APPROVE IT ANYWAY.
THIS MATERIAL STILL HAS NOT BEEN CORRECTED AND PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC AND YET IS GOING TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF ELECTED OFFICIALS TO ENSURE THAT THEY HAVE ACCESS TO ACCURATE AND RELIABLE INFORMATION WHEN MAKING DECISIONS THAT AFFECT THE PUBLIC.
IF CORRECTED DATA BECOMES AVAILABLE AFTER THE INITIAL INFORMATION HAS BEEN PRESENTED, IT IS INCUMBENT UPON OFFICIALS TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC IN A TIMELY AND TRANSPARENT MANNER SO THAT THE PUBLIC CAN MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS AND HOLD [NOISE] OFFICIALS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS.
FAILING TO DO SO CAN ERODE THE TRUST AND THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS AND LEAD TO A PERCEPTION THAT THE ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE NOT WORKING IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC.
IT CAN ALSO RESULT IN POLICY DECISIONS THAT ARE BASED ON FLAWED OR INCOMPLETE DATA, WHICH CAN HAVE SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES FOR THE PUBLIC.
THEREFORE, IT IS CRUCIAL THAT ELECTED OFFICIALS PRIORITIZE TRANSPARENCY AND ACCURACY IN THEIR DECISION-MAKING PROCESSES AND THAT THEY TAKE THE NECESSARY STEPS TO ENSURE THAT CORRECTED DATA IS PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC BEFORE IMPORTANT DECISIONS ARE MADE.
I REQUEST THAT YOU PLEASE HAVE THAT ERRONEOUS DATA CORRECTED, RE-PRESENTED, AND THEN SUBMITTED TO THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, MS. BEAUCHAMP. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON ITEM 4. MS. GALVEDON.
>> CYNTHIA GALVEDON, 2529 AMHERST.
JUST TO ADD FOR A FEW THINGS, IS THAT IT WAS VERY INTERESTING READING THE STAFF PACKAGE BECAUSE THERE WAS TWO SENTENCES THAT WERE THROUGHOUT IT CURRENTLY BEING IMPLEMENTED AND IN PROGRESS.
IS ZERO DETAIL, AND ALL OF THAT BACKUP WITH ANYTHING THAT'S REALLY GOING ON HERE IN TOWN CONCERNING THE ACTUAL IMPLEMENTATION OF THE HOUSING ELEMENT OR WHATEVER'S BEING PLANNED.
SECONDLY, A THIRD OF THE TABLES, THE WAY THAT THEY PRINTED IN PDF, YOU COULDN'T EVEN MAKE HEADS OR TAILS OF HOW ANYTHING WORKED OUT.
THIS IS JUST COMMON COURTESY TO YOU THERE, BUT ALSO TO US WHO ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH EVERYTHING.
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WE HAD ONE TABLE OVER FOUR PAGES.WE HAD ONE TABLE OVER THREE PAGES AND THERE'S JUST LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT, ESPECIALLY FOR PUBLIC MEMBERS WHO MIGHT NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN THOSE TABLES.
THERE'S NO WAY TO MAKE HEADS OR TAILS OF WHAT'S ACTUALLY BEEN PRESENTED.
[NOISE] LASTLY, AND I'M GOING TO ASK AGAIN, WE NEED TO HAVE A WORKSHOP SOON.
WE NEED TO HAVE A WORKSHOP BEFORE THE ZONING ELEMENTS STARTS GETTING PULLED FORWARD SO THAT THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF LA VERNE CAN REALLY HAVE AN HANDLE AND UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THIS HOUSING ELEMENT.
NO ONE HAS EVER COME BACK ABOUT THE RENIN NUMBERS AND ABOUT THE TRUE NUMBERS ON THAT.
THERE IS LAWSUITS GOING THROUGH THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AT THIS TIME.
THE RENIN NUMBERS ARE ABSOLUTELY FLAWED.
WE NEED TO PAUSE AND RE-LOOK AT THIS HOUSING ELEMENT AGAIN.
BUT I'M ASKING FOR THE SUMMERTIME.
WE NEED TO HAVE A WORKSHOP ON THE HOUSING ELEMENT, WHAT THIS ALL MEANS, HOW THE PROCESSES RUN SO THAT THE PEOPLE OF LA VERNE CAN HAVE A BETTER HEADS UP AND UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THEY CAN BE EFFECTIVE, WHAT THEY NEED TO COMMENT ON, AND WHAT IS ACTUALLY IMPORTANT IN THESE BINDERS THAT ARE THIS THICK? I DO THIS FOR A LIVING.
I KNOW HOW EASY IT IS TO FOOL EVERYBODY AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S BEING DONE. THANK YOU.
ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK ON ITEM 4? MR. BOWEN.
>> GOOD EVENING AGAIN, COUNSEL, MR. MAYOR.
I ACTUALLY READ THESE THINGS AND THERE'S A LOT OF PAGES.
ON PAGE 52 AND I'M NOT SURE HOW IT CORRELATES WITH YOUR PACKET, BUT IT TALKS ABOUT ADUS AND IT SAYS SURVEY AND EVALUATE POTENTIAL METHODS TO ENCOURAGE ADU DEVELOPMENT THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.
NOT SURE IF THAT'S THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY MAYBE, MAYBE IT IS.
BUT IT GOES ON TO SAY, IN AREAS OF HIGH OR HIGHEST OPPORTUNITY, NORTH LA VERNE HAS BEEN POINTED OUT IN THIS THING VARIOUS TIMES.
AGAIN, WHO DECIDES THIS? IT'S STAFF.
THE WORD STAFF, WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION BEFORE.
SOMEBODY PUTS TOGETHER THIS REPORT, CORRECT? WHO IS IT? I HOPE I CAN GET AN ANSWER.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND FINISH, MAYBE I CAN GET AN ANSWER.
IT SAYS CONTINUE EDUCATING THE COMMUNITY ON THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP ADUS.
AGAIN, NOT QUITE SURE IF THAT'S THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO PROMOTE SOMETHING, TO DEVELOP IT, AND OBVIOUSLY GEARED TOWARDS LOW-INCOME HOUSING.
ENCOURAGE THE PRODUCTION OF 92 ADUS. WHO'S GOING TO DO THAT? THE CITY'S GOING TO GO OUT TO THE RESIDENTS TO ENCOURAGE 92 ADUS, AND HOW DO THEY DO THAT? WHO'S GOING TO DO IT? WITH A GOAL OF 50 PERCENT, SO THAT'S 46 UNITS, BEING AFFORDABLE TO VERY LOW OR LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS.
THE NEXT, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS IS SET UP, BUT THE NEXT COLUMN, IT SAYS UPDATE INFORMATION ABOUT ADUS ANNUALLY, MEET WITH ONE HOA PER YEAR TO PROVIDE EDUCATION ON ADUS WITH A FOCUS ON CONNECTING WITH EIGHT HOAS IN NORTH LA VERNE.
AGAIN, NORTH OF BASELINE, POINTED OUT.
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO WOULD DO THIS AND WHY.
THEN ON PAGE 54, NOW THIS IDENTIFIES 50% OF THE 92 ADUS.
THE NEXT PAGE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PROVIDE ADEQUATE SITES FOR LOWER INCOME HOUSING, BUT THE GOAL IS ONLY 20%.
SO SOMEHOW NORTHERN LA VERNE IS BEING POINTED OUT AS 50%, YET THE OVERALL GOAL SEEMS TO BE 20.
THE INCONSISTENCIES HERE ARE VERY INTERESTING, AND ALSO IT SAYS SITES, THIS THE ONE THAT CAUGHT MY EYE, SITES REZONED BY OCTOBER 2024.
THAT'S AN INTERESTING OBSERVATION, AND AGAIN, IT SAYS IN PROGRESS. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I AGREE WITH CYNTHIA, THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION IN HERE, BUT A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT IS NOT VERY CLEAR, SO I WOULD HOPE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF CLARIFICATION BEFORE WE
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START DICTATING WHO AND WHAT DOES WHAT. THANK YOU.>> THANK YOU MR. BOWEN. ANYONE ELSE? MR. GALVEDON.
>> JOSEPH GALVEDON, 2529 AMHERST STREET.
I JUST HAVE A QUESTION, HAS ANY OF THE REVEALED NEW INFORMATION REGARDING THE FAIR PLEX DEVELOPMENT AND THE 10,000 UNITS PLANNED THERE IN PROXIMITY TO LA VERNE BEEN INCLUDED OR AMENDED WITHIN THE PLAN?
>> THANK YOU, MR. GALVEDON. WE HAVE A RAISED HAND.
[NOISE] YOU HEAR ME? NOW, I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT ITEM 4.
HOPE THERE'S NO ECHO RIGHT NOW.
>> SORRY. IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, I HAVE SOMETHING TO THIS ITEM, HOUSING ELEMENT.
ACTUALLY, MY NAME IS LIBBY BRANDO.
I LIVE IN 7TH STREET RESIDENCY AREA IN OLD TOWN.
I TRIED TO LEARN ABOUT FROM THAT AGENDA.
ACTUALLY, I'M NOT REALLY QUITE UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE I GET REMODELED TWO, THREE YEARS AGO.
BUT NOW I REALLY CARE ABOUT IF MY NEIGHBOR, THEY WILL SELL THEIR HOUSE, BECOME APARTMENT, COME TO LIKE A COMEBACK, BECOME COMMERCIAL OR EVEN THE HEEL ADU BECAUSE THE PHOTO THE NEW LAW PROPERTY, I DON'T REALLY HAVE A CHANCE TO SAY NO.
I TRIED TO CONNECT WITH THEM, SEE IF YOU WILL SELL HOUSE OR MAYBE I ASK SOMEBODY ELSE'S STILL BUY THE HOUSE AND THEN STILL RESIDENT.
I DO AGREE WITH WORKSHOP IDEA BECAUSE I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO LEARN ABOUT THE FUTURE.
>> CAN YOU TURN YOUR SCREEN? WE'RE ALL GOING TO GET SICK.
>> I TURNED ON THE VIDEO OFF, SO CAN YOU HEAR ME BETTER?
>> I TRIED TO STAY AWAY FROM ANY SPEAKER.
I DO AGREE THAT THE WORKSHOP IDEA, BECAUSE I TRIED TO LEARN ABOUT THE AGENDA, ABOUT ADU AND THEN ABOUT FUTURE, MAYBE ZOOMING CHANGING.
AS A RESIDENT, WE REALLY NEED TO KNOW ABOUT OUR ENVIRONMENT IN COMING FUTURE.
ESPECIALLY I LIVE IN OLD TOWN, SO MY NEIGHBOR, THEY ALL HAVE BID POVERTY.
WHAT WILL HAPPEN THEY BECOME COMMERCIAL OR BECOME LIKE SOME APARTMENT.
I DO THINK ABOUT THE WORKSHOP IS A REQUIREMENT THAT BREAST AND KNOW MORE ABOUT FUTURE.
THAT'S QUITE IMPORTANT AND ALSO THE 10,000 UNIT IN POMONA IS VERY CLOSE TO MY HOUSE TOO.
I DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE UPDATE. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? THERE NO HANDS RAISED, I'M GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS, BRING IT BACK UP TO THE DAY.
I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYTHING.
THIS IS A RECEIVE AND FILE ITEM.
YOU'VE ALL BEEN HEARD AND AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE PUBLIC, I THINK ALSO, MR. DOMER?
>> JUST TO REITERATE, LAST YEAR THE CITY WENT THROUGH AND BEFORE THAT, THE HOUSING ELEMENT UPDATE AND APPROVED HOUSING ELEMENTS SUBMITTED IT TO THE STATE.
THIS IS NOTHING ON THAT PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH.
THIS IS AN ANNUAL REPORT FOR HOUSING PRODUCTION, WERE JUST PULLING OUT, IF THERE ARE 50 UNITS COMPLETED LAST YEAR AND
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25% OF THEM WERE LOW MOD IT'S REPORTED ON THESE FORUMS. THESE ARE STATE FORUMS AND YES, THEY'RE ACTUALLY UGLY AND I WISH AND OTHER CITIES WE'VE TRIED TO DEAL WITH HCD TO GET THE FORMS DIFFERENT.I THINK WE CAN WORK A LITTLE BIT BETTER, BUT THAT'D BE VERY SMALL IF WE SHRUNK THEM DOWN.
THE GOAL WAS TO GET INFORMATION, BUT THIS IS NOT ANYTHING DEALING WITH THE HOUSING ELEMENT BECAUSE THAT'S ALREADY CERTIFIED.
THIS IS JUST LOOKING BACK AT THE LAST YEAR AND LOOKING AT WHAT HAS BEEN PRODUCED OR WHAT IS IN PROCESS, AND THEORETICALLY WILL BE PRODUCED THIS YEAR AND THEN OF COURSE, NEXT YEAR BEFORE APRIL, WE'LL BRING THE NEXT APR ANNUAL PROGRESS REPORT BACK AND REPORT ON THOSE UNITS, SO IT'S THE STATE'S WAY OF COLLECTING DATA FROM CITIES.
BUT AGAIN, IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE PROCESS THAT THE CITY WENT THROUGH LAST YEAR AND IT'S APPROVAL OF THE HOUSING ELEMENT WILL BE DOING THAT AGAIN AND PROBABLY SEVEN YEARS BECAUSE IT'S AN EIGHT-YEAR CYCLE.
BUT I DO WANT TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT THE GENERAL PLAN PROCESS IS ONGOING AND THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL WAY TO GET SOME INFORMATION.
REAL QUICK ON THEIR FAIR PLEX UNITS, WE WOULDN'T REPORT ON THOSE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT IN OUR JURISDICTION, SO POMONA WOULD BE REPORTING ON THOSE WHEN THAT SPECIFIC PLAN EVENTUALLY GETS APPROVED AND THAT'S GOING TO BE A LONG PROCESS.
WHEN ANY DEVELOPMENT GOES FORWARD, WE'LL BE A PARTICIPANT AND SUCH THAT WILL COMMENT, BUT ALSO WHEN SOMETHING IS BEING DEVELOPED, THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS AND ABLE TO COMMENT ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT AND ANY TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, SO THAT'S WHEN WE'LL HAVE MORE OF AN ACTIVE ROLE IN UNITS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR JURISDICTION.
>> THANK YOU, MR. DOMER. WITH THAT, DO WE NEED A CUSTOMER BARLOW? WE NEED CITY ATTORNEY BARLOW, WE NEED A VOTE ON THAT.
IS THAT CORRECT? OR IT'S JUST A RECEIVING FILE?
>> TO RECEIVE AND FILE WOULD ALSO BE PERFECTLY FINE.
>> A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
>> SECOND LET'S DO IT ANYMORE. THERE YOU GO.
[PUBLIC HEARINGS]
>> WE MOVE ON TO PUBLIC HEARINGS, MR. DOMER?
FIRST PUBLIC HEARING I WOULD LIKE TO CALL UP, WHO AM I CALLING UP? THE ACTING CHIEF OF POLICE, SAM GONZALEZ.
THIS IS ON THE ASSEMBLY BILL 481 ANNUAL REVIEW AND THIS IS AN ANNUAL PROGRESS.
NOW IT'S, I'LL SAY WONKY WAY OF REVIEWING STUFF BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY FORCES US THROUGH STATE LEGISLATION TO ONCE AGAIN PASS AN ORDINANCE JUST TO BE ABLE TO LIST THE INVENTORY AND THERE IS AN ANNUAL REPORT ALSO THAT GOES ALONG WITH THE ITEM, CHIEF GONZALEZ.
>> YES. MR. CITY MANAGER ACTUALLY HAVE A LIEUTENANT LEAPER HERE WHO'S IN CHARGE OF THE PROGRAM FOR OUR MILITARY EQUIPMENT.
HE'S ALSO IN CHARGE OF OUR SWAT TEAM WHO WILL INTRODUCE THE MATTER BEFORE YOU TODAY.
>> GOOD EVENING. I HAVE NO LEAF BLOWERS OR JAM, SO I APOLOGIZE. [LAUGHTER]
>> FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW ME, MY NAME IS COREY LIBRA.
I'M A LIEUTENANT HERE AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I'M HERE TO REPRESENT THE FIRST READING FOR 41 ANNUAL REPORT.
SOME REFER TO IT AS THE MILITARY EQUIPMENT REPORT.
BILL 41 WENT INTO EFFECT ON JANUARY 1, 2022, REQUIRING LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES TO OBTAIN APPROVAL FROM THIS GOVERNING BODY.
THAT'S YOU THE COUNCIL, TO ENACT A MILITARY EQUIPMENT USE POLICY BEFORE PURCHASING, USING RAISING FUNDS OR ACQUIRING MILITARY EQUIPMENT AND THAT EQUIPMENT HAS OUTLINED WITHIN THE BILL, THERE'S 14 CATEGORIES.
IN ADDITION, EACH AGENCY MUST SUBMIT AN ANNUAL REPORT, WHICH IS WHAT I'M HERE TO DO TONIGHT FOR THE FIRST READING TO THE GOVERNING BODY DETAILING THE EQUIPMENT USED IN THE PRECEDING YEAR.
THE REPORT ALLOWS THE GOVERNING BODY AND THE PUBLIC TO REVIEW AND DETERMINE WHETHER EACH TYPE OF MILITARY EQUIPMENT IDENTIFIED IN THE REPORT HAS COMPLIED WITH THE STANDARDS FOR APPROVAL SET FORTH BY AB41 AND VOTE ON WHETHER TO RENEW IT IN ACCORDANCE WITH GOVERNMENT CODE 7071E2.
THE BILL ALSO REQUIRES THAT TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO REVIEW, THEN REPORT, AND PROVIDE COMMENTS DURING A PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS TONIGHT AFTER THE FIRST READING OF THE AMENDED ORDINANCE.
AN INVENTORY WAS POSTED ON OUR WEBSITE ON JANUARY 7, 2023.
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THERE'S SOME SMALL KNOWABLE CHANGES.WE DID RETURNS SOME ANTIQUATED EQUIPMENT TO THE MILITARY, INCLUDING AN ARMORED VEHICLE THAT WAS 40 YEARS OLD, AND A ROBOT THAT NO LONGER WORKED AND WE ALSO INCLUDED A PURCHASE I ROLLED ANKLE BEAR CAT, WHICH COUNCIL APPROVED.
WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE FOR ME.
>> COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR LIEUTENANT LIBRA BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT? WE WILL GO AHEAD. THANK YOU, MR. LIBRA.
I'M SURE WE MIGHT HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AFTERWARDS.
WE'RE GOING TO GO AND OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT.
IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? NOTHING ON ME. WELL, THAT'S AIRTIGHT.
WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
COUNCIL MEMBER, ANY COMMENTS? NO.
MR. DOMER, PLEASE READ THE TITLE OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 1115.
ORDINANCE NUMBER 1115 AND ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY OF LA VERNE, COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES, STATE OF CALIFORNIA AMENDING CHAPTER 10 MILITARY EQUIPMENT POLICY OF TIDAL MINES, SECTION 10.04.010, THE LA VERNE MUNICIPAL CODE GOVERNING THE USE OF MILITARY EQUIPMENT BY THE DEPARTMENT AND APPROVING THE UPDATED MILITARY EQUIPMENT POLICY 709.
>> THAT ITEM WAS APPROVED 5,0.
>> THANK YOU, TIM HEPBURN YOU'RE JUST SO THOROUGH.
[OTHER MATTERS]
RESOLUTION AMENDING FEES FOR CONCEALED CARRY WEAPONS, CCW PERMITS.MR. DOMER, PLEASE INTERVIEW STAFF MEMBER AND WHO WILL BE REPORTING.
>> THANK YOU. MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE ACTING CHIEF SAM GONZALEZ TO COME ON UP TO THE PODIUM.
I'M SURE HE WILL HAVE ASSISTANCE FROM LIEUTENANT CHRIS DRANSFELDT.
>> MR. HEPBURN, UNDER ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION, I'M CONSIDERING RECUSING MYSELF FROM THIS JUST BECAUSE I'VE ALREADY APPLIED FOR A CCW.
I THINK IT'D BE IN THE BEST INTERESTS IF I JUST STEP OUT.
>> JUST WANT TO WEIGH IN. THERE IS NO LEGAL CONFLICT FOR COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNSON BUT HE CERTAINLY CAN RECUSE HIMSELF WHEN HE FEELS THAT WOULD BE IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE CITY ON THIS ITEM.
>> I RESPECT MR. JOHNSON'S REQUEST AND YOU MAY RECUSE YOURSELF, SIR.
>> ACTING CHIEF GONZALEZ, PLEASE CONTINUE.
>> THANK YOU. I TOO DIDN'T BRING ANY GIMMICKS TODAY.
I'M HOPING TO PROVIDE YOU SOME INFORMATION [LAUGHTER]
>> THERE WAS CANDY LEFTOVER FROM THE EXCELLENT ADVENTURE.
>> I KNOW THERE WAS. A LOT BUT THAT'S OKAY.
>> KIT CATS ARE MY FAVORITE [LAUGHTER] ALL GOOD EVENING MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, MAYOR PRO-TEM, CITY STAFF.
PLEASE FORGIVE ME IF I'M READING FROM MY NOTES TODAY AS I WANT TO MAKE SURE I COVER EACH TOPIC AS IT IS IMPORTANT FOR ALL TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY.
THE DEPARTMENT HAS HEARD COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC AND COUNSEL RELATING TO THE FEES FOR THOSE SEEKING A PRIVATE LICENSE TO CARRY A CONCEALED WEAPON.
WITH THAT, IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW HOW WE GOT HERE.
IN AUGUST OF 2022, THE LA COUNTY SHERIFF VILLANUEVA ANNOUNCED THAT THE DEPARTMENT WILL NO LONGER PROCESS CCW APPLICATIONS FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT RESIDE IN A CONTRACTED JURISDICTIONS OF THE COUNTY.
WITH THIS INFORMATION, THE DEPARTMENT BEGAN REVIEWING ON HOW IT WOULD TAKE ON THIS NEW TASK.
WE ASKED OURSELVES, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR THE LA VERNE POLICE DEPARTMENT? THE LA VERNE POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD NOW BE THE MECHANISM BY WAY, IF SOMEONE CHOOSES TO CARRY CONCEALED MAY APPLY TO OBTAIN A PRIVATE LICENSE VERY SIMILAR TO A BUSINESS LICENSE OR A MARRIAGE LICENSE AS SUCH.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT THERE'S A DISTINCTION BETWEEN OBTAINING A PRIVATE LICENSE TO CARRY CONCEALED AND ONE'S DECISION TO GO INTO A GUN STORE AND PURCHASE A FIREARM FOR THE SAKE OF OWNING ONE.
WELL, THERE'S A DISTINCTION WHERE HERE IS JUST TO APPLY FOR A CCW, NOT FOR ANYTHING ELSE.
THE DEPARTMENT LOOKED AT METHODS UTILIZED BY THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT TO DELIVER LICENSES TO INDIVIDUALS.
IN THE PROCESS OF DOING SO, WE HEARD VARIOUS COMMENTS RELATING TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENTS PROCESS.
SOME COMMENTS INCLUDED THAT APPLICANTS WAIT TIMES, WE'RE UP TO TWO YEARS, SOME WAY IN A YEAR, SOME WAY LONGER.
THAT CAN BE FRUSTRATING TO MANY AND I COULD SEE
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WHY THE DEPARTMENT CONSIDERED THAT AND LOOKED INTO WHY.WE DISCOVERED THAT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, LIKE ALL DEPARTMENTS IN THE SAN GABRIEL VALLEY AND BEYOND, ARE STRUGGLING WITH STAFFING CONCERNS.
THEY HAD A TEAM OF THREE AND AS OF JANUARY 1ST, HAD A CADRE OF THREE PEOPLE TO RUN 4,700 APPLICATIONS.
THERE IS A REASON AS TO WHY NOW THEY HAVE A NEW SHERIFF HE MAY CHANGE THAT.
WE HAVEN'T HEARD ON HOW HE'S GOING TO DO THAT OR IF HE'S GOING TO DO THAT.
THE DEPARTMENT TOOK THIS INFORMATION WHILE LOOKING AT OTHER DEPARTMENTS TO FIND A BEST PRACTICE OF DELIVERING THIS NEW SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY WHILE I WAS SERVING THE FEES ARE SET AT A LEVEL TO RECOVER COST.
KEEPING IN MIND THAT RECOVERY OF COSTS MAY IMPACT OVERALL BUDGETS OR MAY DISCOURAGE PARTICIPATION.
THE DEPARTMENT PUT TOGETHER A TEAM TO COME UP WITH A PALATABLE PROCESS COMPRISED OF SERGEANT WEINREB WHO'S BACK HERE AND ACTING CAPTAIN DRANSFELDT.
TOGETHER THEY REVIEWED STAFFING LEVELS THAT IMPACT THE PROCESSING OF APPLICATION AND CONDUCTING BACKGROUNDS, AS WELL AS THE COST TO DO SO.
PLEASE KNOW THAT BACKGROUNDS ARE FINICKY DUE TO THE INFORMATION OBTAINED FROM THE DOJ AND THE FBI.
THIS INFORMATION THAT'S BROUGHT TO US CAN ONLY BE VIEWED BY SOMEONE WHO HAS A NEED TO KNOW AND THE RIGHT TO KNOW.
THOSE RIGHTS COME WITH LEGAL LEGAL WAIVERS AND EXAMS. MUCH OF THOSE POLICE OFFICERS IS TAKEN OVER, RETIRED POLICE OFFICERS WHO HAVE THE LEGAL RIGHT TO PERFORM BACKGROUNDS.
THIS EXCEPTION MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO HAVE VOLUNTEERS PERFORM THIS TASK.
WE ALSO LOOKED AT REMOVING SERGEANT WEINREB FROM PATROL OR AN INVESTIGATOR FROM INVESTIGATIONS, WHICH WOULD DIMINISH THE SERVICE WE PROVIDE TO THE CITY AND TO ITS RESIDENTS.
LARGER AGENCIES HAVE THE ABILITY TO PULL FROM THOUSANDS THAT THEY EMPLOY WE DON'T HAVE THAT LUXURY.
ONE DAY, I'D LOVE TO GET THE 42 OFFICERS, I DON'T HAVE THAT LUXURY.
AS WE CONTINUED OUR QUEST, THE DEPARTMENT FOUND THAT MOST AGENCIES, NOT COMPLETELY INTERNALIZING THE PROCESS OR UTILIZING A COMPANY CALLED MYCCW.COM.
THE DEPARTMENT'S COST ANALYSIS FOR UNINTERNAL EMPLOYEE CONDUCTING A BACKGROUND AND A COMPLETE REPORT FOUND THAT THE COST WAS GREATER BY DOING IT INTERNALLY THAN THE COST COMING FROM MYCCW.
MYCCW CHARGES $398 INTERNALLY, AND IT WOULD COST APPROXIMATELY $978 PER APPLICANT FOR THE BACKGROUND ALONE.
NOW THE FOLLOWING SLIDE HERE IS WHAT REPRESENTS WHERE WE'RE CURRENTLY AT.
YOU WILL SEE THAT AT THE TOP THERE'S $150 ADMINISTRATIVE FEE COUPLED WITH MYCCW FEE AT $398, A FINGERPRINT ROLL FEE, WHICH HAS BEEN THE STANDARD SINCE I ARRIVED IN LA VERNE IN EARLY 2000S, A DOJ FEE OF $93, A FIREARMS TRAINING FEE OF $250, A PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM FEE OF $150, A CCW CARD FEE OF $20, THE TOTAL COST OF $1,081 TO AN APPLICANT.
NOW KEEP IN MIND THAT SOME OF THOSE FEES ARE NOT RECEIVABLE TO THE CITY OF LA VERNE OR THE DEPARTMENT.
THE FEES THAT ARE APPLICABLE TO THE CITY OF LA VERNE IN THIS SLIDE HERE REPRESENTS THE ADMINISTRATIVE FEE, THE FINGERPRINT ROLE FEE, AND A CCW CARD FEE AT THE AT THE BOTTOM THERE.
THE REMAINING COSTS ARE SENT TO THE DOJ, FIREARMS TRAINING FEES, TO THE ACTUAL VENDOR SELECTED BY THE APPLICANT.
THEN I BELIEVE THAT WAS HALTED FOR YOU IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
SINCE THEY'RE BRINGING THIS TO CITY COUNCIL, THE DEPARTMENT HAS REDOUBLED ITS EFFORTS, ENSURING THAT WE REMAIN FISCALLY PRUDENT WHEN DETERMINING AN UPDATED FEE SCHEDULE.
AS INDICATED IN THE SELF-REPORTED DEPARTMENT IS PROPOSING TO LOWER ITS ADMINISTRATIVE FEE FROM $150-$100, ELIMINATING THE COST OF THE CCW IDENTIFICATION CARD OF $20, WHICH YOU'LL SEE IN THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE, THANK YOU.
HERE INDICATES THE REDUCED COST THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, THE CCW ADMINISTRATIVE FEE OF $100.
THAT'LL COVER THE PROCESSING TIME FOR RECORDS CLERKS, RECORD SUPERVISOR AND THE POLICE CHIEF TO INTERVIEW AN APPLICANT, WHICH IS A SUBSIDY IN OUR COST ANALYSIS OF $36 PER APPLICANT.
AGAIN, THE CCW ROLE FEE IS A NEW EDITION IT'S BEEN PART OF OUR FEE SCHEDULE FOR MANY YEARS.
BELOW CHART INDICATES THE ADDITION OF A $10 FEE FOR AMENDMENTS.
IF SOMEONE LOSES THEIR CARD OR WOULD LIKE TO ADD A DIFFERENT WEAPON TO THEIR CARD,
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THAT WOULD COVER A CHANGES IN THEIR CARD LISTING THE WEAPONS OF THEIR CHOICE.LASTLY, THE CCW RENEWAL FEE IS $25 IT WAS 52, AND THAT WAS A TYPO ERROR ON OUR PART WE ARE BRINGING THAT UP TO CURRENT STANDARD OF $25 FOR RENEWALS.
AS I MOVE ON, YOU MAY RECALL FROM OUR PREVIOUS PRESENTATION BY ACTING CAPTAIN DRANSFELDT OUR INITIAL RECOMMENDATION WAS TO REQUIRE APPLICANTS TO HAVE A PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM TO PROVIDE THE POLICE CHIEF WHO WILL ULTIMATELY ISSUE THE PRIVATE LICENSE WITH THE INFORMATION IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE PUBLIC.
THE DEPARTMENT WILL BE RELYING ON THE INFORMATION FROM THE DOJ AND THE INFORMATION OBTAINED FROM THE BACKGROUND TO DETERMINE THE NEED FOR A PSYCHOLOGICAL ASSESSMENT.
ON THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. I'M SORRY THAT IT'S HARD TO SEE, BUT IF WE CAN ZOOM IN ON IT, THESE ARE SOME OF THE CATEGORIES THAT ARE PROVIDED WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE REPORT.
THIS COULD ALSO BE FOUND ONLINE FOR THOSE WHO WISH TO VIEW THOSE THEY'RE PROHIBITING CASES FOR THOSE INSTANCES IT INCLUDES BOTH MISDEMEANORS AND FELONIES AND EACH SLIDE THEREAFTER.
IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THIS IS FOR MISDEMEANORS HERE AND THIS AGAIN LISTS THE DIFFERENT CODES IN THERE.
OFTEN MAJORITY OF THIS LIST, IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION, IT CAN ALSO BE FOUND ON THE DOJ'S WEBSITE OF THE PROHIBITIONS LISTED FOR FIREARMS IN OBTAINING A CCW.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. ONE MORE TIME.
>> THIS SLIDE YOU WILL SEE THE CURRENT PROPOSAL CONSIST OF FEES WITHOUT THE PSYCH PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM, WHICH IS PROPOSED BEFORE YOU HERE TODAY.
THE ADMINISTRATIVE FEE OF $100, A 398, MYCCW FEE WILL CONTINUE.
THERE'S ENTITIES IN WHICH A APPLICANT CAN SELECT FROM A RANGING FROM $175-$250.
SO THE APPLICANT CHOICE, IN THIS INSTANCE, TO ACHIEVE THAT TOTAL, WE'RE USING 175 V NAUGHT TO 250 THAT WE PREVIOUSLY INCORPORATED, THE HIGH AMOUNT.
THE $93 IN THE DOJ FEE, THE $20 ROW FEE, FOR A TOTAL OF $786 IN THIS SLIDE HERE.
IF THE COUNCIL DIRECTS THE STAFF TO MAINTAIN HIS POSITION TO MANDATE THE PSYCHOLOGICAL, THAT PEOPLE WOULD INCREASE TO $936 WHEN ADDING THE FEE OF $150, WHICH WILL BE IN THE NEXT SLIDE.
THANK YOU. AGAIN, HERE'S THE ADMINISTRATIVE FEE OF $100 THAT MY C THIS IS THE COST TO THE APPLICANT IN TOTAL $100 ADMIN FEE AS I MENTIONED, THAT MYCCW FEE OF $398, FINGERPRINT ROLE FEE OF $20, THAT DOJ FEE OF $93, THE FIREARMS TRAINING OF $175, PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM OF $150 FOR A GRAND TOTAL OF $936.
IN THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU WILL SEE A COMPARISON WITH THE CURRENT COST.
IN YELLOW YOU WILL SEE LAVERNE.
IT IS YELLOW. IN YELLOW YOU'LL SEE WHERE LAVERNE SITS TODAY WITH THE PROPOSAL IN FRONT OF YOU AS IT SITS IN A COUNTY.
>> IT WAS RECENTLY UPDATED AS OF WHEN IT WAS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT THE DEPARTMENT SURVEY VARIOUS AGENCIES AND FOUND THAT ALMOST EVERY AGENCY WAS NOT RECOVERING 100% OF THE LICENSING PROCESS, WHICH REMAINS A CONSIDERATION TO AMEND THIS FEE SCHEDULED BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
THE DEPARTMENT CONTINUES TO MONITOR THE FEES ASSOCIATED WITH THE ISSUANCE OF CCW LICENSES AND AS RECENT AS LAST WEEK,
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THE LOS ANGELES COUNTY SHERIFF HAS REQUESTED THAT THE FEES BE RAISED VIA THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.THE PREVIOUS CHART HERE DOES NOT REFLECT THE RECENT REQUESTS BY THE SHERIFF, SO THERE WILL BE AN INCREASED BY THE SHERIFF.
LASTLY, THE DEPARTMENT IS MONITORING CALIFORNIA LEGISLATION WHO ARE WORKING ON A NEW BILL, SENATE BILL 2, WHICH WILL UPDATE THE ALLOWABLE FEES AND RESTRUCTURING THE APPLICABLE CONCEALED CARRY LICENSE REQUIREMENT.
IF PASSED, THE DEPARTMENT EXPECTS CHANGES AS SOON AS JANUARY 1ST, 2024.
AS SUCH, THE FOUR-YEAR OTHER DEPARTMENTS RECOMMENDATIONS TO AMEND RESOLUTION 23-10.
BEFORE I CONCLUDE, I WILL ALSO ASK THAT IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS TO CONTACT SERGEANT WEINREB WITH REGARDS TO THE PROCESS OR THE WEBSITE, IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES WITH THAT.
I ALSO LIKE TO NOTE THAT WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENT, IF SOMEONE DOES NOT HAVE A COMPUTER, OUR DEPARTMENT IN THE LOBBY OF THE COMPUTER THERE IS CAN BE UTILIZED TO APPLY FOR A CCW.
THEY DON'T HAVE AN EMAIL FOR INSTANCE.
SOMEONE CAN ASK SERGEANT WEINREB PER ASSISTANCE TO UPLOAD ANY DOCUMENTS THAT MAY BE NEEDED THAT WE COULD ASSIST WITH.
THOSE WITH ADA REQUIREMENTS OR THOSE WHO SIMPLY DO NOT HAVE A COMPUTER OR THE INTERNET AT HOME, CAN COME TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND USE OUR LOBBY COMPUTER TO APPLY FOR A CCW AS WELL.
WE ASK THAT THEY CONTACT A RELATIVE FIRST AND WE MAY BE YOUR LAST RESORT IF NEED BE.
I'M HERE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF NEED BE.
>> THANK YOU, ACTING CHIEF GONZALEZ.
COUNCIL, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR MR. GONZALEZ? GO AHEAD.
>> A COUPLE OF CLARIFYING QUESTIONS TO IS THAT THERE ARE PLACES THAT PEOPLE THAT EVEN HAVE A CCW ARE NOT ALLOWED TO CARRY THEIR WEAPON. IS THAT TRUE?
>> THAT IS CORRECT. IN THE PENAL CODE SECTION, THERE'S ACTUALLY SIX LOCATIONS THAT THE CALIFORNIA PENAL CODE DESCRIBES IT.
PEOPLE SHOULDN'T CARRY. ONE OF THEM, IS IF YOU MAY RECALL, THE CALIFORNIA STATE SCHOOLS PENAL CODE 629.9.
THE OTHER ONE IS 171BPC, WHICH IS PUBLIC MEETINGS.
THIRD, I SHOULD SAY, 171 INTO GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS, 171D THE GOVERNOR'S MANSION, 171.5 IS AIRPORTS AND 171.7 PUBLIC TRANSIT FACILITIES, THOSE ARE ALL LISTED IN THE PENAL CODE AS LOCATIONS THAT ARE PROHIBITED TO CARRY.
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE CLEAR BECAUSE I KNOW I RECEIVE A LOT OF EMAILS TODAY ABOUT OUR SCHOOLS AND EVEN THOUGH SOMEONE IF THEY EVEN HAD A CCW, THEY STILL WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO CARRY LEGALLY A GUN INTO OUR SCHOOLS.
>> ACCORDING TO THE PENAL CODE, THAT'S CORRECT.
>> THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE I RECEIVED A LOT OF EMAILS ABOUT SAFETY OF OUR SCHOOLS AND STUFF THERE TO SIZE. WANT TO MAKE SURE.
ANOTHER QUESTION ON YOUR TWO PROPOSALS.
PROPOSAL 1 WITH NO PSYCHOLOGICAL TESTS, AND THE SECOND PROPOSAL WITH PSYCHOLOGICAL TESTS.
IF THROUGH YOUR INTERVIEWS, ON THE FIRST ONE WITH NO PSYCHOLOGICAL TESTS THROUGH YOUR INTERVIEWS, IF YOU DEEMED A PSYCHOLOGICAL TESTS WOULD BE NEEDED THEN YOU CAN REQUEST ONE.
IS THAT PART OF YOUR PROPOSAL?
>> THE CALIFORNIA PENAL CODE SECTION 216.
I SHOULDN'T TRY TO GO OFF OF MEMORY. ALLOWS FOR THAT.
>> IF I CAN JUST FURTHER CLARIFY THE NEED FOR A PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAMINE IN THAT FIRST ONE IS BASED ON NOT JUST THE INTERVIEW, BUT ON THE INFORMATION RECEIVED THROUGH THE BACKGROUND CHECK, CORRECT?
>> THANKS, MAYOR. I'M ASKING ABOUT THE RENEWAL ANY HEARING? THE PSYCH IS THAT PART OF THE RENEWAL AS WELL? THAT IS NOT A ONETIME.
>> IN A PENAL CODE, THERE IS A LINE 4 THE REQUIREMENT OF A PSYCH, BUT THERE SURE.
THERE HAS TO BE MUCH GREATER NEED FOR IT.
>> IN ORDER TO DO IT AGAIN EVERY TWO YEARS.
>> LIKE ALL AS LAW ENFORCEMENT WE WENT THROUGH WE HAD THE TEAM, [INAUDIBLE]?
>> JUST A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS.
WHEN YOU PURCHASE A GUN, YOU GO THROUGH A BACKGROUND CHECK.
IT'S A TWO-WEEK HOLD. IS THAT CORRECT? TILL WE WAITING LIST ON GENERALLY ON THE HANDGUN.
>> THAT'S THOROUGH. NOW FOR THE CCW, THEY DO A BACKGROUND CHECK WITH THREE FORMS OF PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW OR JUST A BACKGROUND CHECK FOR PEOPLE.
WHAT'S WHAT AM I LOOKING FOR? CHIEF HELPED ME. REFERENCES.
>> THOSE THREE REFERENCES. AT THAT POINT AS COUNCIL MEMBER LAU STATED AND ALSO COUNCIL MEMBER CROSBY,
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THAT THE FACT IS THOSE THEMSELVES, ONCE YOU DO THIS CCW BACKGROUND, THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU INDICATION THAT THIS INDIVIDUAL IS OKAY TO PROCEED WITH.AFTER THEY DO ALL THEIR CCW, THEY DO THE TEST, THEY DO THE CERTIFICATION THAT THIS PERSON OKAY.
IT WILL HIGHLIGHT ANYTHING TO DO WITH PSYCHOLOGICAL ISSUE THAT THEY DEEM NECESSARY AFTER THEIR CCW BACKGROUND AND THEIR CHECK?
>> YOU WOULD GET AN APPLICATION AND WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT THE CHIEF OF POLICE WOULD BE THE ULTIMATE INDIVIDUAL TO, IF THEY SAW SOMETHING IN THE PAPERWORK THAT THEY WOULD SAY, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FOR A PSYCHOLOGICAL TEST THAT THEY FEEL THAT THAT'S NECESSARY. IS THAT CORRECT?
>> THAT IS CORRECT. WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE RELYING ON HIS INFORMATION FROM THE BACKGROUND, FROM THE DOJ, COMPILE THAT DATA IN THE REPORT WHEN IT COMES TO THE CHIEF OF POLICE, WILL MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
>> BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY ALWAYS GIVE US THE INFORMATION.
I CANNOT SAY THAT WITH CERTAINTY.
>> BASICALLY 700 EACH $6 IS THE ESTIMATE FOR WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY PROPOSING.
BUT IF WE ADD THE $150 PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM, THAT'S GOING TO BRING US TO 936. IS THAT CORRECT?
>> THANK YOU, ACTING CHIEF GONZALEZ.
I THINK WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
WE HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR BRING UP.
WE HAVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENT WITH MR. REAVES.
COME ON UP. IF I MAY ASK THAT WE KEEP THESE TO 3 MINUTRES, PLEASE.
I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF SPEAKERS.
>> KEITH REEVES, 2811 VINELAND MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, CITIZENS OF LAVERNE.
TODAY, I RETURNED TO YOU TO SPEAK ABOUT THE HIGH CONCEALED CARRY FEES.
WE HAVE GONE FROM THE HIGHEST IN THE NATION TO SIMPLY EXORBITANT.
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR STARTING THE PROCESS, BUT WE'RE NOT THERE YET.
AS OF THIS MORNING, FLORIDA HAS PERMISSIONLESS CARRY.
WITHIN A FEW MORE WEEKS, SOUTH CAROLINA AND NEBRASKA WILL FOLLOW.
THIS WILL BRING TO 28 THE NUMBER OF STATES WHICH DO NOT REQUIRE A PERMIT FOR THEIR CITIZENS TO CARRY A FIREARM.
ALL OTHER STATES ARE NOW SHALL ISSUE.
IF OBJECTIVE CRITERIA ARE MET, A PERMIT MUST BE ISSUED.
YET LAVERNE IS MIRED IN THE OLD DISCRIMINATORY MAY ISSUE PASSED.
THIS MAY ISSUE PASSED, WHICH GIVES THE CHIEF OF POLICE ARBITRARY DISCRETION IN ISSUING CONCEALED CARRY PERMITS HAS BEEN THROWN OUT BY THE SUPREME COURT.
THE DECISION TO KEEP MYCCW IS UNFORTUNATE.
MYCCW WAS DESIGNED TO HELP NAVIGATE THE BURDENSOME MAY ISSUE PROCESS UNDER THE OLD ARBITRARY REGIME.
THE MAJORITY OF THINGS THAT MYCCW ASSISTED WITH ARE NOW COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY UNDER BRUEN OR REDUNDANT TO THE CITIES IN-HOUSE PROCESS.
IT IS BOTH UNFORTUNATE AND NEGLIGENT THAT THE CITY DID NOT EITHER NEGOTIATE LOWER FEES WITH MYCCW OR ELIMINATE USE OF THE PROGRAM ALTOGETHER.
THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE, I APPEAL TO YOUR SENSE OF JUSTICE.
I SUGGESTED THAT THE FEES WERE DISCRIMINATORY AND IT MADE IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR WIDOWS, SINGLE MOMS, MINORITIES, AND OTHER ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGED PEOPLE TO OBTAIN A PERMIT.
NOW I APPEAL TO YOUR SENSE OF STEWARDSHIP.
AS STEWARDS OF THE CITIES TREASURY, YOU HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO SPEND OUR DOLLARS WISELY.
LAVERNE WILL REDUCE THEIR FEES.
IT'S NOT A MATTER OF IF IT'S A MATTER OF WHEN.
THE QUESTION IS, HOW MUCH TIME AND HOW MUCH MONEY DO YOU WANT TO SPEND IN THE PROCESS? I HAVE WAITED EIGHT YEARS TO GET A CCW FROM THE CITY OF LA VERNE.
I REALLY HATE TO WAIT LONGER, BUT SOMETIMES YOU ARE REQUIRED TO DRAW A LINE IN THE SAND.
TONIGHT THAT LINE HAS BEEN DRAWN. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. MR. REAVES. ANYWHERE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS? [APPLAUSE] MS BEAUCHAMP.
>> PRIMARY REASONING BEHIND NOT CHARGING EXCESSIVE FEES FOR A CCW LICENSE IS TO ENSURE THAT THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS AS ACCESSIBLE TO AS MANY LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS AS POSSIBLE.
THE SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION GUARANTEES THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. MANY AMERICANS BELIEVED THAT THAT IS IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILIES.
EXCESSIVE FEES FOR A CCW LICENSE WILL CREATE A FINANCIAL BARRIER TO THOSE WHO WISHED TO EXERCISE THEIR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS.
THIS COULD DISPROPORTIONATELY IMPACT LOWER SOCIOECONOMIC INDIVIDUALS, WHICH THOSE ARE NORMALLY THE ONES LIVING IN THE AREAS OF HIGHER CRIME RATES WHO ARE MOST AFFECTED BY THE ABILITY TO DEFEND THEMSELVES.
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FURTHERMORE, IF THE FEES FOR A CCW LICENSE ARE TOO HIGH, IT COULD ALSO DISCOURAGE THE PEOPLE FROM OBTAINING THE NECESSARY TRAINING AND EDUCATION TO SAFELY CARRY AND USE A FIREARM, WHICH COULD THEN LEAD TO HIGHER RISK OF ACCIDENTS, INJURIES, OR EVEN FATALITIES.CCW LICENSE IS A NON-PARTISAN ISSUE BECAUSE IT IS MATTER OF PERSONAL SAFETY AND INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS, NOT POLITICAL IDEOLOGY.
BOTH DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS SUPPORT THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS, AND MANY PEOPLE FROM ALL OTHER POLITICAL BACKGROUNDS BELIEVE IN RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNERSHIP AND THE IMPORTANCE PROTECTING ONESELF AND ONE'S FAMILY.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO BALANCE THE NEED FOR PUBLIC SAFETY WITH THE PROTECTION OF INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS.
THEREFORE, IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT FEES FOR CCW LICENSE ARE REASONABLE AND DO NOT PRESENT AN UNDUE BURDEN ON LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS.
WHILE IT IS REASONABLE TO CHARGE A FEE TO COVER THE ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE CCW LICENSE APPLICATIONS, EXCESSIVE FEES MAY BE DIFFICULT TO JUSTIFY.
IF THE FEES ARE CHARGED SUBSTANTIALLY HIGHER THAN THE ACTUAL COST OF ADMINISTERING THE PROGRAM, IT COULD BE SEEN AS A REVENUE-GENERATING MEASURE RATHER THAN A LEGITIMATE COST TO COVER.
I ASK THAT THE CITY RECONSIDER THAT THESE FEES ARE STILL AN EXCESSIVE AMOUNT AS THE CHART THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE RESIDENTS, CITY OF GLENDORA, WHICH IS ONE OF THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES, IS OVER $300 LESS THAN WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. MS. BEAUCHAMP. [APPLAUSE] IF I COULD REMIND YOU THAT PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS IF YOU COULD PLEASE, AS YOU GET TO THE MIC.
>> GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
MY NAME IS WENDY RAMALLAH, ADDRESS 172 BRYN MAWR ROAD.
I AM A RESIDENT OF YOUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY IN CLAREMONT AND THE PROUD MOTHER OF A DAMIEN SPARTAN, AND A FORMER GRADUATE OF DAMIEN.
I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH YOUR LOVELY COMMUNITY.
I AM A MEMBER OF A LOCAL VOLUNTEER WITH MOMS DEMAND ACTION SERVING THE POMONA VALLEY, WHICH INCLUDES CLAREMONT, POMONA, AND LA VERNE.
WE REPRESENT THE LARGEST BIPARTISAN GRASSROOTS MOVEMENT OF OVER 10 MILLION SUPPORTERS WORKING TOWARD COMMON SENSE GUN LAWS FOR SAFER COMMUNITIES.
WE STRONGLY SUPPORT STRONG CONCEAL CARRY PERMIT STANDARDS AND THE WORK OF OUR STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND STATE SENATOR POTENTINO ON SB2, WHICH INCLUDE MANY OF THE PROVISIONS THAT YOU HAVE TODAY.
I STAND HERE IN SUPPORT OF STRONG CONCEAL CARRY PERMIT STANDARDS.
AS WE ARE AS A NATION, WE'VE JUST EXPERIENCED 10,698 GUN DEATHS IN THREE MONTHS, IN THREE DAYS.
THAT'S MORE THAN TRIPLE THE TIME OF VICTIMS IN 9/11 AND WELL EXCEEDS THE NUMBER OF MILITARY PERSONNEL THAT WERE KILLED IN AFGHANISTAN WAR THAT LASTED TWO DECADES.
THAT'S SHAMEFUL. YES, WE BELIEVE IN STRONG STANDARDS FOR A PERMIT CARRY SYSTEM.
GUNS ARE AND ALSO NOW THE NUMBER ONE KILLER OF OUR CHILDREN.
I DON'T JUST STAY THAT AS A STATISTIC, IT'S PERSONAL.
WE RECENTLY LOST A DAMIEN ALUM, A 19-YEAR-OLD YOUNG BOY, TO GUN SUICIDE.
ONE OF THE MOST COMMON WAYS THIS OCCURS IS BECAUSE A YOUNG PERSON GETS A HOLD OF A GUN THAT'S NOT SAFELY SECURED.
MORE GUNS IN MORE HANDS IN MORE PLACES DO NOT MAKE US SAFER.
[NOISE] THEY DO PUT US AT GREATER RISK.
REASONABLE STANDARDS BASED ON REASONABLE COSTS THAT YOU'VE PRESENTED ARE JUSTIFIED.
I STRONGLY SUPPORT THIS COUNCIL MOVING FORWARD WITH THE WELL DELIBERATED PROCESS THAT YOU'VE SET FORTH.
BUT I'D ALSO ENCOURAGE YOU STRONGLY, TO NOT JUST IN THE WAKE OF THE COVENANT SHOOTING AND MORE DEAD CHILDREN AND DEAD TEACHERS, NOT LET THIS BE YOUR ONE AND ONLY ACTION IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THAT INCIDENT.
LET'S WORK TOGETHER ON EDUCATING THE PUBLIC ON SAFE STORAGE, WHICH IS ALSO CALIFORNIA LAW, WHICH SHOULD BE REQUIRED IN YOUR TRAINING AS A KEY COMPONENT.
LET'S EDUCATE THE PUBLIC TOGETHER ON GUN VIOLENCE RESTRAINING ORDERS.
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YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.THE DATA THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET FROM DOJ IS NOT GOING TO FLAG ALL OF THE MENTAL HEALTH CONCERNS THAT ARE THERE AND ARE PRESENT.
THEY DON'T JUST GET PUBLISHED IN THE PAPER.
AGAIN, I SAY THIS AS A PERSON, AS A HUMAN BEING THAT HAS EXPERIENCED THIS.
I HAD A LOVED ONE WHO HAD A MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS AND THERE WERE GUNS IN THE HOME.
AT THE TIME, WE DIDN'T HAVE OUR RED FLAG LAWS, AND AT THE TIME, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT REFUSED TO HELP WHEN WE CALLED.
IT WAS EASIER TO CRIMINALIZE THAT FAMILY MEMBER THAN IT WAS TO REMOVE THE WEAPON.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT ON THIS ITEM.
>> NANCY SASSAMAN, 2700 HILLCREST DRIVE.
I'M A MEMBER OF THE HILLCREST RETIREMENT COMMUNITY AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF BEING ABLE TO SPEAK.
I'M NOT HERE TO CHANGE THE CCW PROCESS.
THE SUPREME COURT'S ALREADY MADE THAT DECISION FOR ME.
BUT I AM HERE TO EXERCISE MY FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS TO SAY THAT WE NEED TO SLOW OUR ROLE TOWARDS MILITARIZATION OF COMMUNITIES.
WHEN I SEE THE COSTS OF MILITARY EQUIPMENT THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT NEEDS, IT'S A LITTLE FRIGHTENING.
YEAH. ROBOT? A 40 MILLIMETER. I DON'T KNOW.
BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY WHY I'M HERE.
IT'S THAT WE SEEM TO BELIEVE THAT THE IDEA IS WE NEED MORE GUNS, MORE MILITARY EQUIPMENT, MORE RISING TO BEING REACTIVE AND MAKING PEOPLE AFRAID.
WE NEED TO STRENGTHEN OUR BACKGROUND CHECKS.
WE NEED TO SAFEGUARD OUR GUNS.
WE NEED TO STRENGTHEN OUR STANDARDS.
AT HILLCREST, TWO YEARS AGO, WE CHANGED OUR POLICY THAT YOU COULD NO LONGER HAVE A GUN ON CAMPUS.
WE HAVE GUN COLLECTORS, WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE FIREARMS, BUT THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO KEEP THEM ON OUR CAMPUS BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT ONE BAD DAY CAN SHORTEN SOMEONE'S LIFE.
WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME LISTENING TO PEOPLE TALK ABOUT MONEY AND COSTS, AND MONEY AND COSTS AND HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST AND WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST TO TRAIN ALL OF THE POLICE, THE PERSONNEL THAT WILL NEED TO BE ABLE TO USE THIS EQUIPMENT AND WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST FOR A PSYCHOLOGICAL CHECK, BUT WE'VE NEVER ONCE MENTIONED THE COST OF A HUMAN LIFE.
THAT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANYTHING.
>> THANK YOU MS. SASSAMAN. SHERRY BEST.
>> I MISSTATED ON MY BLUE CARD THAT I WANTED TO MAKE A STATEMENT DURING PUBLIC COMMENTS, BUT I WANTED TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE.
SHERRY BEST, I LIVE AT 3949 BRADFORD STREET.
TO HONORABLE MAYOR TIM HEPBURN, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, CITY MANAGER DOMA, AND CITY ATTORNEY BARLOW.
OVERALL, RESOLUTION 2314, WHICH AMENDS RESOLUTION 2310, REPRESENTS A RESPONSIVE AND RESPONSIBLE REDUCTION OF FEES FOR CCW PERMITS IN LA VERNE.
THE REDUCTION OF CITY ADMINISTRATIVE FEES, $150-100, ELIMINATION OF THE $20 CCW PUPPET CARD FEE, AND MAINTENANCE OF FIREARM SAFETY TRAINING WITH ACCESS TO VENDORS OFFERING A REDUCED RATE OF $175, ARE RESPONSIVE TO RESIDENTS CONCERNS AND SERVE TO REDUCE THE INITIAL COST OF A CCW PERMIT TO COMPARABLE COSTS IN ADJACENT CITIES.
HOWEVER, THE ELIMINATION OF A PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION AS A COST CUTTING MEASURE IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.
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THE PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION SHOULD BE A NECESSARY COMPONENT FOR A CCW PERMIT.ANY CHANCE THAT AN UNSTABLE PERSON WOULD BE DENIED ACCESS TO A WEAPON IS A CHANCE WORTH TAKING.
I WOULD HATE TO FACE SOMEONE WHO'S LOVED ONE WAS MURDERED AND TELL THEM THAT THE PERSON WHO COMMITTED THE CRIME WAS SAVED $150 IN A DECISION TO REDUCE HIS OR HER PERMIT APPLICATION COSTS.
NOR IS THE CCW PERMIT AN INALIENABLE.
A CCW PERMIT DOES NOT PREVENT PURCHASING A GUN AND KEEPING IT AT HOME.
OF COURSE, WE MUST REMIND OURSELVES THAT KEEPING A GUN AT HOME IS NO GUARANTEE THAT IT WILL BE HANDLED RESPONSIBLY.
REMEMBER THAT ONLY THE OTHER WEEK, A SIX-YEAR-OLD BROUGHT A GUN TO SCHOOL IN VIRGINIA AND SHOT HIS TEACHER.
I DO NOT FEEL SAFER OR MORE SECURE KNOWING THAT I COULD BE SHOT AT THE GROCERY STORE, IN CHURCH, OR AT A PUBLIC GATHERING BY A RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNER WHO ACTS IRRESPONSIBLY.
THE ARGUMENT THAT RESPONSIBLE PEOPLE SHOOT PEOPLE RESPONSIBLY WAS BELIED BY THE INCIDENT ON JUNE 14TH, 2019, AT A COSTCO STORE IN CORONA, IN WHICH AN OFF DUTY LAPD OFFICER FATALLY SHOT A DEVELOPMENTALLY DISABLED MAN AND CRITICALLY INJURED HIS PARENTS.
STORE SECURITY TAPE SHOWED THE VICTIMS BACKING AWAY FROM THE OFFICER AND PLEADING WITH HIM NOT TO SHOOT BEFORE HE FIRED 10 ROUNDS.
CHARGED WITH VOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER.
THE SHOOTER WAS NOT INDICTED BY A GRAND JURY, BUT HE WAS FIRED FROM THE POLICE FORCE AND THE SURVIVING PARENTS OF A MURDERED VICTIM WERE ULTIMATELY AWARDED $17 MILLION.
WE CAN ARGUE THAT THE OFFICER IN THIS INCIDENT FELT HE WAS ACTING TO PROTECT HIS TODDLER SON AND OR FELT HIMSELF TO BE UNDER THREAT.
BUT IF HE WERE ARMED ONLY WITH HIS FIST, THE DEAD ADULT SON OF THE WOUNDED COUPLE MIGHT STILL BE ALIVE TODAY.
PEOPLE WHO TRAINED TO BECOME POLICE OFFICERS MUST PASS RIGOROUS AND REGULAR FIREARMS TRAINING, BACKGROUND CHECKS, AND PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATIONS.
I KNOW THIS FROM MY BROTHER-IN-LAW, WHO WAS ON THE LONG BEACH POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR OVER 20 YEARS.
DESPITE THEIR TRAINING, WHEN PLACED IN SITUATIONS IN WHICH THEY HAVE THE OPTION TO USE DEADLY FORCE, EVENTS STILL OCCUR.
CITIZENS WHO ARE ARGUABLY LESS SKILLED IN THE ACTUAL WEAPON USE AND LESS LIKELY TO ENCOUNTER EMERGENCY SITUATIONS IN WHICH THEY MUST EXERCISE IMMEDIATE JUDGMENT ABOUT APPLIED DEADLY FORCE ARE EVEN LESS PREDICTABLE.
A PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION COULD HELP DETERMINE WHO MIGHT BE LIKELY TO RESORT TO DEADLY FORCE.
IT IS CERTAINLY NOT THE CASE THAT I WOULD FEEL SAFER KNOWING THAT MY FELLOW CITIZENS ARE ARMED.
HOWEVER WELL-INTENTIONED AND RESPONSIBLE, THEY FEEL THEY ARE.
SUBSCRIBING TO THE BELIEF THAT GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE IGNORES THE REALITY THAT FIREARMS ARE BOTH A VERSATILE AND MORE DEADLY FORM OF ATTACK BECAUSE THEY CAN BE USED IMMEDIATELY AND FROM A DISTANCE.
STATED ANOTHER WAY WE CAN SAY, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE WITH GUNS.
THE NRA APPROVED QUOTE, THAT GUNS DON'T KILL, BUT PEOPLE DO THE KILLING IS MY STRONG ENDORSEMENT FOR PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION OF THE VERY PEOPLE WHO WANT TO CARRY GUNS. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU MS. BEST. [APPLAUSE]. JARRETT, CAN WE GO TO THE PHONE CALLERS, PLEASE AND THEN WE WILL BRING MORE PEOPLE UP.
>> I'M DONE TOO. MY NAME IS LYDIA BRENNA.
I REALLY HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT CCW AND I'M GLAD THIS INFORMATION SHOW CLEAR TONIGHT SINCE LOWER THE FEE JUST A LITTLE BIT.
I'M SO SURPRISED BECAUSE OF THE SURROUND CITY.
THEY ALL HAVE THIS PRETTY MUCH LIKE A HIGH FEE BUT IT'S STILL NOT REASONABLE.
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EVEN EVERYBODY HAVE THAT FEE, THAT DOESN'T MEAN REASONABLE.I AM JUST THINKING IF OUR CITY TOO SMALL TO BE SPECIAL, I HAVE TO FOLLOW THE CROWD FOR EVERYBODY EXPENSIVE, SO THAT'S IT.
I'M VERY CLEAR KNOW 10 AMENDMENTS.
PEOPLE CANNOT KILL PEOPLE, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE.
THE 10 AMENDMENT STATES VERY CLEAR YOU SHALL NOT MURDER.
THEN THE SCHOOL SHOOTING JUST HAPPEN.
THE GUN MAN OR WOMAN, I'M STILL CONFUSED RIGHT NOW.
SHE OR SHE LEGALLY BUY SEVEN GUNS, LEGALLY SO THAT MEANS THE PERMIT DOESN'T REALLY STOP ANYTHING.
IF THE PERSON WANT TO KILL, NOT JUST GUN, HE COULD USE THE CHOP, USE A CAR, USE A KNIFE, USE EVERYTHING IS CLOSE, EVERYTHING.
I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, IT'S OUR SECOND TO EIGHT, OUR RIGHT TO HAVE A GUN AS THE MINORITY, AS A WOMAN.
$700 IS REALLY STOP PEOPLE TO THINK ABOUT HAVING A GUN.
I HOPE CITY WILL CONSIDER THAT.
HALF OF COUNTRY, SO MANY OTHER STATE THEY MAYBE STILL BECOME A CHAIN.
WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO SIT UP THERE ANYMORE IN THE FUTURE.
IT COULD HAPPEN BECAUSE THE COUNTRY HAS CHANGED VERY DRAMATICALLY.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHICH PARTY YOU BELONG, SO TO HAVE A BARE ARM IS OUR RIGHT TO PROTECT OURSELVES.
AS A WOMAN STAY HOME, WORK FROM HOME.
I DEFINITELY KNOW, I NEED THIS FIREARM TO PROTECT MY FAMILY.
BUT $700 DEFINITELY STOP MOST PEOPLE, SO IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT.
I HOPE THIS SITUATION COULD BE CHANGED.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO SAY.
>> HI. THIS IS MARCO LONGER, AND I AM A STATE SENATOR.
ANTHONY PORT AND TINO'S REPRESENTATIVE FOR THIS ONE, TINO, ATTORNEY GENERAL, ROD FANTA, GOVERNOR GAVIN NEWSOM, ARE IN THE FINAL STAGES OF PASSING A UNIFORM CALIFORNIA CCW PERMANENT PROCESS IN LINE WITH THE RECENT SUPREME COURT DECISION.
IT SEEMS PRUDENT FOR THE CITY OF LA VERNE TO WAIT UNTIL THAT LAW PASSES BEFORE CREATING A LOCAL EFFORT THAT MAY NOT BE CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [APPLAUSE]
> GOOD EVENING. HONORABLE, MAYOR, ATTORNEY.
HEPBURN AND THE REST OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
I LIVE AT 2644 MOUNTAIN VIEW DRIVE, I'M PART OF THE HILLCREST CREW, AND WAS PART OF THOSE DECISIONS THAT WE MADE ABOUT GUNS.
MAYBE THIS WHOLE THING IS MOOT POINT, IF WE'RE NOT FOLLOWING STATE GUIDELINES.
THAT WAS AN INTERESTING COMMENT.
I THINK IT'S INTERESTING. WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE SECOND AMENDMENT, WHICH ALSO INCLUDES THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS TO FORM A MILITIA, AND WE NEVER TALK ABOUT THE MILITIA PART.
I'M QUITE CONTENT WITH HER POLICE DEPARTMENT AS BEING ABLE TO PROTECT ME.
I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THIS BILL BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I NOTICED THIS TIME IS THAT YOU'VE HAD SPENT A LOT OF TIME RESPONDING TO THE RESIDENTS CONCERNS ABOUT COST AND HAD REDUCED THE COST TO THE CITY AND TO THE RESIDENTS, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS QUITE REMARKABLE, A WIN-WIN.
BUT THE PART THAT CONCERNED ME WAS THE PART ABOUT PSYCHOLOGICALLY VOWS.
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I JUST THINK THEY'RE ESSENTIAL AND THEY DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE LEFT IN THE HANDS OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE TO MAKE THAT DECISION WITHOUT MENTAL HEALTH CREDENTIALS.IT'S A TREMENDOUS BURDEN, AND I WOULD HATE TO HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY TOUGH FOR THE COUNCIL IF WE HAD A TRAGEDY IN THIS COMMUNITY AND WE HAD TO EXPLAIN WHY WE HAD REDUCED THE COST OF ANY VOW AND MADE IT MORE OPTIONAL.
THAT WOULD BE A HARD CONVERSATION, AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD WANT TO HAVE THAT ONE.
WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF MY RESIDENTS, TOO.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [APPLAUSE]
>> MR. PERRY. WAYNE PERRY, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS PUBLIC COMMENT?
>> OH, I'LL KEEP IT OVER HERE.
>> ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
>> HELLO, COAST THIS MORNING ON BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA RIFLE AND PISTOL ASSOCIATION I WASN'T ACTUALLY GOING TO SPEAK TONIGHT BECAUSE I NEED TO DISCUSS WITH MY CLIENT THESE CHANGES.
HOWEVER, I DO WANT TO THANK THE CITY FOR HAVING ME HERE AGAIN, IT'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE.
I NOTICED THAT YOU GUYS HAVE MORE TENDONS THAN CITIES MANY TIMES YOUR SIZE AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS SO THAT'S GOOD TO SEE THAT LEVEL OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
HOWEVER, I DO FEEL COMPELLED TO SPEAK TODAY TO CLEAR UP A FEW FACTS HERE.
WE SAW THE LISTING OF OTHER CITIES AND THEIR FEES.
ALTHOUGH LA VERNE HAS MOVED DOWN THE LIST, THANKFULLY, AND THAT'S PROGRESS, A LOT OF THOSE OTHER CITIES ALSO USE MYCCW.
THAT'S THE BIG DIFFERENTIATOR HERE IS THE $398 THAT MYCCW CHARGES, WHEREAS CITIES THAT DON'T USE IT ARE SIGNIFICANTLY CHEAPER IN PRICE.
JUST A COUPLE OF OTHER POINTS THIS FIGURE ABOUT GUN DEATHS 10,000 A YEAR, IT'S TRUE, BUT IT INCLUDES SUICIDES WHICH MAKE UP OVER HALF THE COUNT AND OF COURSE, A CCW PERMANENT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SUICIDE.
IF YOU HAVE A GUN AND YOU'RE UNFORTUNATELY DEALING WITH A DEPRESSIVE EPISODE, IT'S NOT GOING TO MATTER IF YOU HAVE A PERMIT OR NOT.
SUICIDE IS NOT USUALLY DONE IN PUBLIC.
IT'S DONE SADLY IN ONE'S HOME SO THAT WON'T ACTUALLY HAVE ANY BEARING ON THIS AND, OF COURSE, PEOPLE WITH CARRY PERMITS ALMOST NEVER COMMIT CRIMES.
THERE ARE OUTLIERS, OF COURSE, LIKE WITH ANYTHING.
BUT ONE OF THE REASONS THE SHERIFFS ASSOCIATION OPPOSED SENATOR PORTINO'S LAST EFFORT TO PASS THIS BILL, WHICH FAILED LAST YEAR, THE SP 918 WAS BECAUSE THEY SAID THAT THE LEGISLATION WAS NOT NEEDED BECAUSE THEIR EXPERIENCE HAD SHOWED THAT PEOPLE WHO GET THESE PERMITS, PEOPLE WHO WILLINGLY COME TO A CITY OR A COUNTY AND SAY, I WOULD LIKE TO DO THIS LEGALLY, I WILL PAY YOUR FEES, I WILL TAKE YOUR COURSE, THEY'RE VERY UNLIKELY TO EVER COMMIT CRIMES, AND REMEMBER, MOST CALIFORNIA COUNTIES HAVE BEEN SHERIFF ISSUE FOR MANY YEARS IN PRACTICE, BECAUSE THIS WAS LEFT TO THE SHERIFF.
YOU HAD TONS OF COUNTIES, INCLUDING RIVERSIDE, SAN BERNARDINO, ORANGE COUNTY HAD MOVED IN THAT DIRECTION RECENTLY, SO MOST OF THESE COUNTIES HAD BEEN THIS WAY FOR YEARS AND HAVEN'T HAD THIS SURGE OF PEOPLE WITH COMMITTING CRIMES OR PEOPLE WITH PSYCHOLOGICAL EPISODES SUDDENLY GOING CRAZY AND SHOOTING EVERYONE, AND REMEMBER, MOST OF THESE PLACES DO NOT REQUIRE A PSYCH EXAMS EITHER BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COMES UP IN YOUR BACKGROUND CHECK IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN INSTITUTIONALIZED, IF YOU'VE EVER HAD THAT EPISODE THAT WOULD CAUSE A RECORD, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM GETTING A PERMANENT BUT FROM BUYING A GUN.
WELL, I'M DRAWING A BLANK, SO I'LL STOP THERE. THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
>> THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] AGAIN, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS IF YOU DON'T MIND, PLEASE.
>> I'M ASDELLA MALDONADO, 1225 RUGGLES STREET, LA VERNE.
THANK YOU, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, AND THE CITY ADMINISTRATION.
I WANTED TO TALK TO TODAY ABOUT TWO NUMBERS, WHICH I WILL GET TO IN A SECOND.
IT SEEMS THAT TODAY'S CONVERSATION HAS BEEN ABOUT NUMBERS AND THE COST.
IN AVERAGE YEAR, GUN VIOLENCE IN AMERICA KILLS 40,000 PEOPLE AND WOUNDS POTENTIALLY TWICE AS MANY.
THAT HAS AN ECONOMIC CONSEQUENCES TO OUR NATION OF $557 BILLION.
THAT'S 2.6% OF THE US GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT.
THE STAGGERING FIGURE OF $557 BILLION IS FIVE TIMES THE NATION'S BUDGET FOR DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION, WHICH FUNDS PRE-SCHOOL THROUGH COLLEGE FOR MILLIONS OF AMERICANS.
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AGAIN, THERE'S 557 BILLION PROBLEM, REPRESENTS THE COSTS OF A LIFETIME ASSOCIATED WITH GUN VIOLENCE.THE COSTS ARE BROKEN UP INTO THREE CATEGORIES.
THERE'S THE IMMEDIATE COST, THE COST OF DURING THE INCIDENT CALLING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS, THE MEDICAL ASSISTANCE, THE AMBULANCES, AND SO ON, ANYTHING THAT REPRESENTS A COST ON DURING THE INCIDENT.
THEN THERE ARE THE SUBSEQUENT COSTS, THE SUPPORT PHYSICAL AND MENTAL SUPPORT TO THE VICTIMS AND EVEN TO THE PERPETRATOR.
THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE MENTAL ILLNESS AND THE MENTAL INSTABILITY OF A PERSON IS HIGHLIGHTED AFTER THE FACT, INSTEAD OF HIGHLIGHTING IT BEFORE, WHICH SOMETHING LIKE THIS ECOLOGICAL ASSESSMENT WOULD AIM TO IDENTIFY.
THEN LASTLY, THERE'S THE QUALITY OF LIFE COST, BECAUSE JUST THINK OF THE CHILDREN WHO HAVE BEEN IN THE PRESENCE OF A MASS SHOOTER AND NEVER HAD TO CLIMB UP THROUGH WINDOWS AND HIDE UNDER THEIR DEAD CLASSMATES, AND THINK OF WHAT THAT IS GOING TO DO TO THEIR LIVES AND THE COSTS ASSOCIATED FOR THAT CHILD GROWING TO BE AN ADULT TO EXPERIENCE SOMETIMES MORE THAN ONCE GUN VIOLENCE, THE COST THAT IS HAVING ON THAT PERSON, THAT FAMILY, AND US, ALL SOCIETY, THIS COUNTRY.
THE AVERAGE ANNUAL COST FOR OVERALL GUN VIOLENCE IN THE UNITED STATES, AND THIS IS THE FIRST NUMBER.
THE AVERAGE ANNUAL COST OF OVERALL GUN VIOLENCE IN THE UNITED STATES IS $1,698 FOR EVERY RESIDENT IN THE COUNTRY.
IN COMPARISON TO THE $1,081 THIS IS HIGHER, AND NOW I KNOW YOU'RE TRYING TO LOOK FOR SAVINGS, SO IF IT GOES DOWN TO $700, THIS IS TWICE AS HIGH OF WHAT WE ARE ALL PAYING.
IF WE TAKE AWAY THE EMOTIONAL, THE HUMAN LIFE, WHICH IS THE SECOND NUMBER, PRICELESS, THE LOSS OF A LOVED ONE IS PRICELESS.
IF YOU TAKE THAT ASIDE FROM THIS CONVERSATION AND YOU WANT TO DISCUSS JUST NUMBERS, WELL, YOU'RE LOOKING AT DOING THE RIGHT THING AND INCLUDING THE RIGHT MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL, WHICH NO DISRESPECT TO CHIEF OF POLICE OR ANYBODY ELSE THAT'S BEEN ENLISTED TO DO THIS.
BUT THAT IS NOT THEIR SKILL, THAT IS NOT THEIR EDUCATION, THEIR TRAINING, AND UNLESS THEY HAVE THAT, UNLESS THEY WERE HIRED TO PERFORM THAT VERY IMPORTANT, VERY SPECIALIZED TASK, THEN IT'S IRRELEVANT.
WE EITHER SOMEWHAT MANAGE THE OVERALL COST BY ENSURING THAT WE HAVE PSYCHOLOGICAL ANALYSIS AND ALL OF THE NECESSARY REQUIREMENTS TO ASSIGN AND GRANT THIS CCW PERMIT, OR THE 1,600 AND SOMETHING FIGURE THAT IT'S COSTING US TO LIVE WITH THE GUN VIOLENCE THAT THIS COUNTRY IS EXPERIENCING EVERY DAY, THAT'S ONLY GOING TO GO HIGHER.
AT PRESTON, CALIFORNIA RANKS THEY'RE AMONG THE TOP OF THE COUNTRY FOR IN VARIOUS CATEGORIES REGARDING GUN SAFETY, INCLUDING KEEPING GUNS OUT OF THE WRONG HANDS.
LET'S KEEP THAT. WE'RE NOT SAYING, TAKE AWAY GUNS.
BUT NOT EVERYBODY NEEDS A GUN IN THEIR HAND BECAUSE THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THE MENTAL CAPACITY, EMOTIONAL CAPACITY TO DEAL WITH THAT.
>> MS. MOLDONADO, IF WE COULD FINISH YOUR THOUGHTS.
>> THANK YOU, VERY MUCH. [APPLAUSE]
>> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? MS. GALVEDON.
>> AGAIN CYNTHIA GALVEDON, 2529 AMHERST STREET.
FIRST I MUST START OFF THAT I AM ALSO A DAMIEN MOM, LONGTIME BOY SCOUT MOM, LIVED IN THE VALLEY FOR A LONG TIME, HAS SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES AROUND HERE.
FIRST, I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH NUMBERS MORE THOUGH.
NATIONWIDE LAST YEAR, THE NUMBER OF CARRY PERMIT HOLDERS GREW BY
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488,000 AT A 2.33 PERCENT GROWTH OVER 2021, THERE ARE 22 MILLION OF US OUT THERE OF THOSE OF US WHO WANT TO BE ONE.IF CCW IS WHERE THE PROBLEM WOULD BE MORE, A LOT MORE PROBLEMS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
IN FACT, IT'S ACTUALLY THE OPPOSITE.
THE STATES WITH THE MOST SHOOTINGS ARE WASHINGTON D.C., AND THERE ARE TWO TIMES MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE.
THE STATE OF CONNECTICUT OF ALL PLACES, COLORADO, MINNESOTA, WISCONSIN, WASHINGTON, CALIFORNIA, MICHIGAN, ILLINOIS, AND NEW YORK.
THESE ARE THE STATES WITH THE STRICTEST REGULATIONS ON THE GOOD GUYS AND THE BAD GUYS KNOW IT.
WHEN I HEAR ALL THESE THINGS AND I DO A LOT OF WORK IN AREAS OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA WHERE IT'S VERY DEPRESSED, AND THERE'S A LOT OF GANGS, I'M TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW, THE GANGS AND THE BAD GUYS DON'T CARE ABOUT ANY OF OUR LAWS, THAT'S WHY THEY'RE THE BAD GUYS.
8.5 PERCENT OF AMERICAN ADULTS HAVE PERMITS.
OUTSIDE OF THE MOST RESTRICTIVE STATES OF CALIFORNIA AND NEW YORK, ABOUT 10.2 PERCENT OF THE ADULTS HAVE A PERMIT.
IN 17 STATES, MORE THAN 10 PERCENT OF ADULTS HAVE PERMITS.
ALABAMA HAS THE HIGHEST CONCEALED CARRY RATE, 32.5, INDIANA'S SECOND AT 23.4, AND GEORGIA'S THIRD AT 15.5.
SIX STATES NOW HAVE MORE THAN ONE MILLION PERMIT HOLDERS.
ALABAMA, FLORIDA, GEORGIA, INDIANA, PENNSYLVANIA, AND TEXAS.
FLORIDA HAS ALMOST THREE MILLION.
YOU NEVER HEAR ABOUT PROBLEMS IN THOSE STATES.
28 STATES, SINCE I JUST HEARD ABOUT TWO MORE TONIGHT, HAVE ACTUALLY ADOPTED CARRY FOR THE ENTIRE STATE MEANING PERMITS ARE NO LONGER NEEDED.
IN 2022, WOMEN MADE UP 29.2 PERCENT OF THE PERMIT HOLDERS IN THE 15 STATES THAT HAVE SORTED BY GENDER, AN INCREASE AT 28.3 PERCENT FROM THE YEAR BEFORE.
SEVEN STATES HAD DATA 2012-2022 AND THE PERMIT NUMBERS GREW 115.4 PERCENT FASTER FOR WOMEN THAN FOR MEN.
I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
THIS IS A FUNDAMENTAL FACT THAT IN THIS COUNTRY WITH SO MANY OF THESE HORRIBLE DISTRICT ATTORNEYS, WOMEN DO NOT FEEL SAFE AND WE ARE NOT SAFE.
THAT IS JUST BOTTOM LINE, AND IT WOULD ALMOST HAPPENED AGAIN TODAY AND THANK GOODNESS, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS PULLED IT, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO LET OUT 4,800 CRIMINALS OUT OF OUR COUNTY JAIL, AND THANK GOODNESS THAT STOPPED.
THIS IS MORE THAN JUST BEING A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.
THIS IS FUNDAMENTAL TO OUR PROTECTION, AND THE ONLY REASON WHY WE HAVE THE FIRST AMENDMENT IN THIS COUNTRY, WHICH WE ARE HANGING ON BY A THREAD RIGHT NOW, IS BECAUSE OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT.
BECAUSE IF WE DIDN'T HAVE OUR FIREARMS, THEY ABSOLUTELY WOULD TREAT US THE WAY MY FAMILY SAW IT IN EAST GERMANY, THE WAY A LOT OF MY FRIENDS FROM CHINA HAVE SEEN IT, THE WAY IT'S GOING ON AND HAPPENED IN HUNGARY, THE WAY IT'S HAPPENED IN ALL THESE OTHER COUNTRIES.
THERE'S A LOT OF CHANGES COMING.
DO WE NEED TO MAKE MONEY TO END UP PAYING FOR THIS? MAYBE WE DO. I WAS LOOKING UP WHAT SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES DO.
CITY OF GLENDORA CHARGES $12,000 IF YOU GET PULLED OVER FOR A DUI, HOW ABOUT THAT? WE COULD PULL OVER FIVE PEOPLE A YEAR AND YOU GOT YOUR MONEY COVERED TO RUN THIS WHOLE PROGRAM.
[BACKGROUND] SERIOUSLY, THAT'S WHAT THEY DO THERE.
LASTLY ABOUT SAFE SCHOOL ZONES, BECAUSE THAT QUESTION WAS BROUGHT UP, 96 PERCENT OF THE GUNS USED, AND THESE MASS SHOOTINGS, 96 PERCENT WERE IN THE SAFE ZONES.
SAFE ZONES, THE MINUTE YOU PUT A BIG SIGN OUT THERE ON TOP OF THEM, THEY ARE TARGET.
SADLY, YOU HAVE TO THINK LIKE THE BAD GUYS.
THEY'RE MAKING IT EASIER ON THEM.
I'VE BEEN SHOOTING SINCE I WAS FIVE YEARS OLD.
ONCE YOU PRACTICE, AND EVERY WOMAN WHO'S LISTENING TO ME TONIGHT, YOU SHOULD GO TO A CLASS AND LEARN HOW TO USE A FIREARM.
IT'LL BE THE MOST INVIGORATING AND POWERFUL THING THAT YOU CAN LEARN.
LASTLY, I WAS TOLD, AND THIS IS ANECDOTALLY, I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT.
THAT THERE'S ABOUT 80 OF US OR SO THAT HAVE ACTUALLY APPLIED.
I'VE HEARD THAT 40 OF THEM ISH ARE ACTUALLY EITHER A CITY EMPLOYEE OR A VOLUNTEER.
ONCE WE GET THROUGH THAT WHOLE 80 GROUP, ONE, SO DO YOU THINK THAT YOU HAVE 40 OR SO CUCKOO BIRDS THAT ARE HERE WORKING HERE AT THE CITY? [LAUGHTER] THAT'S ONE.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, THERE MIGHT BE SOME.
THEN TWO, THE OTHER 40 OF US, ONCE WE'RE THROUGH, YOU GUYS MIGHT GET ONE OR TWO A YEAR.
I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH MYCCW.
DEFINITELY NOT THAT PSYCHOLOGICAL EVAL BECAUSE THAT'S COMPLETELY BEING DISCRIMINATORY AGAINST US.
ONE BUT TWO, IT'S BECAUSE OF THE OTHER LAWS WE DON'T HAVE TO.
PEOPLE NEED TO DO MORE RESEARCH ON THE TRUTH ABOUT GUN VIOLENCE HERE IN THE US. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]
>> THANK YOU, MS. GALVEDON. AGAIN, PLEASE
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STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.>> YES, SIR. JIM CARLSON, 1111 BASELINE ROAD.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, COUNCIL, AND GETTING TO SPEAK AGAIN.
I THINK OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES AN EXCELLENT JOB.
YOU KNOW WHY I KNOW THAT? BECAUSE NOTHING HAPPENS IN LAVERNE.
I KNOW A LOT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT, I DEAL WITH THEM A LOT.
I GO AND DEAL WITH INVESTIGATIONS AND SOME OF THE SHREWDEST, SHARPEST PEOPLE THAT ARE ABLE TO IDENTIFY CHARACTERISTICS THAT ARE TROUBLING IN PEOPLE ARE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.
THEY HAVE AN UNCANNY ABILITY TO RECOGNIZE SOMETHING AIN'T RIGHT.
I THINK ALL PEOPLE COULD BE CAUGHT ON A GOOD DAY OR A BAD DAY.
BUT I THINK IN GENERAL TO SAY THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT IS UNCAPABLE OF DETERMINING WHETHER SOMEONE HAS THE MENTAL CAPACITY TO BEHAVE THEMSELVES EVEN UNDER MODERATE STRESS IS AN UNREASONABLE STATEMENT.
THEY DEAL WITH US ON A REGULAR BASIS, WHETHER IT'S A TRAFFIC STOP OR ANY OTHER INTERACTION IN THE CITY, I FEEL LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS THE MENTAL CAPACITY AND THE ABILITY TO MAKE DETERMINATIONS THAT ARE RELEVANT TO THIS.
PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATIONS ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE SUBJECTIVE.
IT COULD A BE PERSON THAT I KNEW FROM COLLEGE AND WE GOT ALONG GREAT, OR IT COULD HAVE BEEN SOMEONE THAT WE DIDN'T GET ALONG GREAT OR WE WERE RIVALS IN COLLEGE OR WHATEVER. YOU JUST DON'T KNOW.
I DO KNOW THIS. I DO KNOW THAT YOU GUYS HAVE MADE A VERY CONCERTED EFFORT.
I CAN SEE AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF THOUGHT HAS GONE INTO YOUR DECISION-MAKING AND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MAGIC NUMBER IS.
I THINK IF WE ALL KNEW, WE'D ALL JUST SAID, HEY, WHY DON'T WE JUST MAKE IT THIS NUMBER AND WE'LL MAKE THIS WHOLE THING GO AWAY.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS PROCESS FOR US AS THE FIRST GROUP IS, THIS IS YOU KNOW WHO WE ARE.
[LAUGHTER] THERE IS NO HIDING THERE.
YOU'RE ALL GOING TO KNOW THESE ARE THE GUYS THAT APPLIED BECAUSE WE CAME, WE TALKED, WE TOLD YOU WHAT OUR THOUGHTS WERE.
BUT IN GENERAL, YOU WOULD ALMOST NEVER KNOW WHO THIS PERSON IS.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S DISCUSSED, YOU CAN'T BRANDISH YOUR FIREARM AT ANYTIME.
IT IS AN IMMEDIATE GROUNDS FOR REVOCATION.
ME LIFTING MY ARMS UP TOO HIGH AND EXPOSING MY SIDE ARM, AND GETTING THE WRONG ATTENTION TO THE WRONG PERSON COULD TRIGGER A CALL AND HE HAS A DUTY TO ACT ON THAT.
MAYBE YOU GET A WARNING, BUT THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE YOU'RE GOING TO THINK LONG AND HARD BEFORE YOU WANT TO GIVE UP THE 1,000 PLUS BUCKS YOU JUST SPENT ON GETTING THE RIGHT TO CARRY THAT AROUND WITH YOU.
IT IS EXTREMELY RARE TO HAVE SOMEONE CARRYING A CCW PARTICIPATE IN GUN VIOLENCE.
IT IS POSSIBLE. OF COURSE, IT'S POSSIBLE.
BUT IT'S MORE LIKELY TO HAVE THE PERSON WITH THE CCW BE VERY CAREFUL TO TAKE CLOSE NOTES, RECORD WHAT'S GOING ON, KNOWING THAT THEY'VE GOT A SHOT THAT IF SOMEONE DID COME AT THEM, THEY COULD DEFEND THEMSELVES TO THE DEATH IF THEY HAD TO, AND THEY COULD DOCUMENT THE SITUATION BETTER THAN ALMOST ANYONE ELSE INVOLVED.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE EVERYONE'S MIND WOULD BE UNDER THAT DURESS.
I'VE NEVER HAD A GUN POINTED AT ME AND BEEN ROBBED.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT FEELS LIKE.
BUT I GOT TO BELIEVE I WOULD RATHER HAVE THE OPTION TO KNOW THAT IF SOMEONE DID COME AT ME, I DIDN'T HAVE TO JUST SURRENDER AND HOPE THEY DIDN'T TAKE IT THINKING, GOSH, I'D PREFER HE'S NOT AN EYEWITNESS TO MY ROBBERY.
I THINK I'LL JUST SHOOT THEM ANYWAYS.
TO ME, THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST QUESTION MARKS THAT GETS POSED IS IF THE PERSON FEELS THEY'RE BETTER DEFENDED AND THE CONSTITUTION ALLOWS FOR IT, WE SHOULD COOPERATE WITH THAT.
I WOULD LIKE TO IMPRESS ON THE CITY SOME OF US FINANCIALLY, IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME WHAT YOU CHARGE, BUT IT DOES TO SOME.
MAYBE THERE'S A WAY WE COULD HELP THOSE PEOPLE IF IT'S AN ISSUE.
I'D HATE TO HEAR THAT A SINGLE WOMAN GOT MAIMED OR KILLED BECAUSE SHE JUST COULDN'T AFFORD IT AND IT WAS SOMETHING SHE WANTED.
SHE JUST HAPPENED TO NOT BE ECONOMICALLY ABLE TO LIVE IN AN AREA THAT WAS AS SAFE AS SHE WOULD PREFER.
THOSE THINGS, I THINK ABOUT A LOT, BUT I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU'VE COME BACK WITH SO MANY CONCESSIONS ON SO MANY SEPARATE POINTS.
I'M VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE FACT THAT AS IMPASSIONED AS EVERYBODY IS TONIGHT, EVERYBODY HAS MAINTAINED THEIR COMPOSURE AND BEEN RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER, AND I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU ALL FOR THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT GOES A LONG WAY TO DESCRIBING WHEREVER YOU'RE AT ON THIS TOPIC, [NOISE] CALM HEADS USUALLY WILL GET YOU TO THE BEST SOLUTION.
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THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU.>> THANK YOU, MR. CARLSON. [APPLAUSE] MR. RAMOS.
>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL MARCO ALMOST 2247 SECOND STREET HERE IN LA VERNE RESIDENCE SINCE 1995.
MY DAY JOB, I'M ALSO PRESIDENT OF UNITED FOOD AND COMMERCIAL WORKERS LOCAL 1428, WHICH IN THIS CITY REPRESENTS THE FOLKS THAT WORK AT VON STATE OR BROTHERS CVS AND RITE AID.
MASS SHOOTINGS HAPPEN IN GROCERY STORES AS YOU KNOW.
MASS SHOOTINGS AND PEOPLE WHO DECIDE TO COMMIT VIOLENCE WITH A GUN IT CROSSES A LOT OF LINES WHETHER YOU'RE A RACIST, YOU'RE A RELIGIOUS ZEALOT.
BUT THE ONE CONNECTING THING IS THE GUN.
TO ME, MORE GUNS IS NOT THE ANSWER.
MORE GUNS PUTS MORE PEOPLE AT RISK? WE ASKED SO MUCH OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT EVERY SINGLE DAY.
OUR POLICE OFFICERS HAVE TO BE MEDIATORS.
THEY HAVE TO BE POLICE OFFICERS, THEY HAVE TO BE PSYCHOLOGIST, THEY HAVE TO BE KOTLER'S AND THEY HAVE TO BE COUNSELORS THAT I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY STEPPING BACK AND SAYING, LET'S TAKE ONE EXTRA PRECAUTION AND MAKE SURE THERE HAS TO BE A PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION.
BECAUSE NOBODY HERE WANTS TO MAKE THAT MISTAKE THAT THEY MISS SOMETHING, NOBODY.
THE LAST THING WE WANT TO HAVE IS SOME DANG CANDLELIGHT VIGIL OUT HERE AND TALK ABOUT THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS.
WHILE PEOPLE HAVE THEIR RIGHTS PEOPLE ALSO HAVE THE RIGHT TO LIVE.
A MISTAKE IN ISSUING A CCW TO SOMEBODY WHO SHOULDN'T HAVE IT BECAUSE SOMETHING WAS MISSED, IT A PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION OR THE DOJ AS YOU HEARD, THE ACTING CHIEF SAY, IS AN IRREVERSIBLE MISTAKE.
A LITTLE EXTRA PRECAUTION GOES A LONG WAY.
YOU HEAR THE FOLKS WHO COME UP HERE AND TALK ABOUT ADVOCATING FOR CCW, ABOUT ALL OF THE TRAINING AND THE CAUTION THAT GOES INTO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. WELL, THAT'S GREAT.
LET'S MAKE SURE IT HAPPENS ON THE OTHER SIDE TOO BEFORE SOMEONE IS ALLOWED TO CARRY AN INSTRUMENT THAT CAN MAKE AN IRREVERSIBLE MISTAKE.
THE VAST MAJORITY OF MASS SHOOTINGS HAPPEN WITH LEGALLY PURCHASED ARMS, WHICH MEANS THE WAITING PERIOD, THE DOJ BACKGROUND CHECKS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
I HAPPEN TO BE IN WASHINGTON DC AND WAS INVITED TO THE WHITE HOUSE FOR THE CELEBRATION OF THE SIGNING OF THE GUN BILL IN JULY.
WITH ME WERE FAMILIES FROM UVALDE IN MY INDUSTRY UFCW THERE WERE FOLKS FROM THE GROCERY STORE IN BUFFALO.
WHILE ALL I HEAR A LOT OF FOLKS COME UP HERE AND SAY I NEED A CCW TO PROTECT MY FAMILY.
I WORRY EVERY DAY ABOUT MY FAMILY, BUT I ALSO CARRY THE BURDEN WORRYING EVERY DAY ABOUT MY 4,000 MEMBERS.
THAT MY WORRY AND WHEN I LAY MY HEAD DOWN AT NIGHT IS THAT EVERY ONE OF MY MEMBERS GETS HOME SAFE TO THEIR FAMILIES AND THERE'S NOTHING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG.
WE HAD THE POLICE OFFICERS COME UP HERE AND TALK ABOUT THE MILITARY EQUIPMENT.
WE HAVE AN OVER-MILITARIZED POLICE FORCE THAT IS PROTECTING AN OVERARCHING SOCIETY.
GUN VIOLENCE INCREASES BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE GUNS.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CHICAGO AND WE TALK ABOUT THESE OTHER PLACES, WE COULD PROBABLY DO AWAY WITH A LOT OF GUN VIOLENCE IF WE ACTUALLY HELD GUN MANUFACTURERS ACCOUNTABLE.
IF WE MADE PEOPLE GET LIABILITY INSURANCE WITH A GUN.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE CAN DO.
I'M FINISHING UP HERE SIR. I APPRECIATE YOU.
>> PLEASE COMMENTS. MARK IS AT THE MIC AND GIVE HIM HIS JUSTICE AS YOU GUYS DID WHEN YOU WERE SPEAKING.
>> THIS IS REALLY PERSONAL TO ME.
LIKE I SAID, I HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT 4,000 PEOPLE EVERY DAY, INCLUDING MY TWO SONS AND MY WIFE AND IT MEANS A LOT TO ME.
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TAKING AN EXTRA STEP, LOOK, WHILE I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO WAIT, AS MARCO SAID, ON THE BILL, IT APPEARS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS TAKING ONE EXTRA STEP OF PRECAUTION AND ANYBODY WHO DEEMS THIS AS A NECESSARY, IN MY OPINION, SHOULD BE OPPOSED TO THE IDEA OF SITTING DOWN AND HAVING A PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.>> THANK YOU, MR. RAMOS. [APPLAUSE]. MS. BERRY?
>> GOOD EVENING, PAM BERRY, 2117 DURANGO COURT.
I ALWAYS WONDER ABOUT THIS, MIC.
HERE WE ARE TONIGHT, WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING WHETHER WE'RE DOING THIS, YOU'VE ALREADY DECIDED IN A PRIOR MEETING $1,100, ALMOST PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT.
WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS THE REDUCTION AND SOMEBODY RECOMMENDED POSSIBLY DROPPING OR RENEGOTIATING MYCCW.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO AT LEAST LOOK INTO HOW CAN THAT BE RENEGOTIATED.
WHAT ARE THEY DOING THAT WOULD BE DUPLICATING SOMETHING ELSE THAT IS PART OF THE PROCESSING OF THE CITY OR THE BACKGROUND ISSUES SO THAT IT'S MORE EFFICIENT AND HOPEFULLY LESS COSTLY BECAUSE THE FEES ARE STILL TOO HIGH? I WANT TO BE ABLE TO DEFEND MYSELF.
CONCEALED CARRY WEAPON HOLDERS ARE NOT OVERALL THE PERPETRATORS OF GUN VIOLENCE FOR THERE TO DEFEND OURSELVES FROM VIOLENCE.
I AM BECOMING MORE AND MORE PHYSICALLY VULNERABLE AND I WANT TO BE ABLE TO PROTECT MYSELF.
BUT THOSE FEES ARE REALLY HIGH.
TAKING A GUN SAFETY CLASS, BEING FAMILIAR WITH THE SAFE STORAGE, THE SAFE CARRYING, THE SAFE USE THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS AND I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT.
I AM NOT GOING TO BE A GROCERY STORE RISK SO WE NEED TO GET AWAY FROM SOME OF THE I DON'T KNOW, JUST THE BIG BROAD SWEEPING THINGS THAT PEOPLE WITH GUNS ARE BAD.
GOOD PEOPLE WITH GUNS ARE NOT BAD.
BAD PEOPLE WITH GUNS DON'T HAVE PERMITS.
THEY GET THEM ALL OVER THE PLACE.
BUT THEY ARE NOT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE APPLYING FOR THIS AND SO THE FEES DON'T MATTER TO THEM THAT MATTERS TO ME.
I'M JUST ASKING IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE YOU CAN DO.
TAKING OFF THE PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION, TAKING OFF SOME OF THOSE FEES, CUTTING THEM IS A VERY GOOD START. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, MS. BERRY. [APPLAUSE] MS. COLUSA.
>> KATHY COLUSA, 224 3RD STREET.
ACTUALLY THE FIRST COMMENTS I HAVE TO READ ARE NOT MY OWN.
THERE'S SOMEBODY WHO COULD NOT BE HERE.
I DON'T KNOW HIS ADDRESS, BUT HE LIVES IN LA VERNE I CAN TELL YOU FOR SURE YOU ALL KNOW HIM, JEFF BASLER. "GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
AT THE LAST MEETING, I EXPRESS MY SUPPORT OF LA VERNE OFFERING CONCEAL CARRY PERMITS AND ENCOURAGED KEEPING THE COST OF DOING SO AS LOW AS POSSIBLE DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENTS SECTION OF THE MEETING.
UNFORTUNATELY, I WAS UNABLE TO RETURN FROM LAS VEGAS TODAY TO SPEAK DIRECTLY ON THE CCW ITEM IN THE AGENDA AS I HAD PLANNED.
THAT IS WHY I'VE ASKED KATHY TO READ THIS TO YOU ON MY BEHALF.
SINCE THE LAST MEETING, I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE PROCESS AND THE ITEMIZED EXPENSES TO GET THE CCW THAT WERE POSTED IN THE ARTICLE I READ IN THE DAILY BULLETIN.
IN DOING SO, I CAME TO THE REALIZATION THAT THERE ARE POTENTIAL REDUNDANCIES THAT CAN BE WAIVED ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS THAT WOULD REDUCE THE NET PRICE.
FOR INSTANCE, IF SOMEONE HAD A CCW IN ANOTHER STATE, IT WOULD MEAN THAT THEY HAVE ALREADY UNDERGONE THE NECESSARY STEPS OF THE CLASS AND THE PSYCH REVIEWS, SO THOSE REQUIREMENTS COULD BE WAIVED.
IF SOMEONE HAS A COMMERCIAL DRIVER'S LICENSE WITH THE HAZMAT ENDORSEMENT THEN THEY HAVE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE HAZ PRINTS, LIVE SCAN AND FURTHER THEY HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO DRIVE 18 WHEEL BOMBS THROUGH CITIES.
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THE FEDERAL EVALUATION WOULD BE MORE THOROUGH THAN MYCCW'S CHECK MAKING IT UNNECESSARILY REDUNDANT.THERE ARE MANY OTHER POTENTIAL REDUNDANCIES THAT LA VERNE CAN IDENTIFY AND RECOGNIZE ALONG THESE LINES.
I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL TO EVALUATE AND CONSIDER SUCH OPTIONS TO WAIVE THE ELEMENTS OF THE CCW PERMIT PROCESS WHERE REDUNDANCIES CAN BE IDENTIFIED TO LOWER THE INDIVIDUAL COST OF OBTAINING THE PERMIT, WHICH SECURES A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT." THAT'S FROM JEFF BASLER, HOUSE 1834 ESSEX AVENUE.
THEN I JUST WANT TO SPEAK FOR ME QUICKLY.
I DO WANT TO THANK THE COUNCIL AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY STAFF FOR REVISITING THE ISSUE AND FOR WORKING TO COMPROMISE ON THE FEES.
MY ONLY CONCERN IS THE DISCRETIONARY PSYCHOLOGICAL ASSESSMENT.
I'M WONDERING, COULD THIS OPEN UP A CAN OF WORMS, SAY THE CHIEF IS TASKED WITH THIS, TO SAY THERE'S A RED FLAG AND THEN SOMEBODY BRINGS A LAWSUIT AGAINST THE CITY BECAUSE THEY SAID, "OH, WELL, HE OR SHE JUST DIDN'T LIKE ME OR THEY WERE DISCRIMINATING ME BECAUSE OF MY RACE OR SOMETHING ELSE." COULD THAT CAUSE A PROBLEM AND TRIGGER LITIGATION? COULD WE BE SUED FOR DISCRIMINATION? I REALLY THINK THE BEST OPTION IS TO REQUIRE THE PSYCH FOR EVERYBODY.
WHAT HAPPENS IF WE ISSUE A CCW AND A PERSON USES IT INAPPROPRIATELY AND A DEEP POCKETS LAWSUIT IS TRIGGERED.
ARE WE COVERED BY INSURANCE, OR ARE WE ON OUR OWN? I'M THINKING OF THIS ALL FROM A RISK MANAGEMENT STANDPOINT.
THEN I GUESS BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE MORE THOROUGHLY WE VET PEOPLE, THE BETTER PROTECTED WE ARE FROM THOSE LAWSUITS.
THEN MY OTHER THING IS, WHAT DID THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THINK? DID THEY PREFER THE PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATIONS? IF REALLY THEY THINK, YEAH, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA.
MAYBE WE CAN SUBSIDIZE SOME OF THAT BECAUSE MAYBE IT'S JUST TOO IMPORTANT TO LET GO. THAT'S IT. THANKS.
>> THANK YOU. MS. COLUSA. AGAIN, IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.
>> YEAH. HEY, THERE, I'M AARON DUFFY.
I LIVE AT 2988 BUTTERFIELD AVENUE IN LA VERNE.
I REALLY APPRECIATED THE INITIAL RESOLUTION THAT THE COUNCIL APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO.
I CAN UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO REDUCE FEES AND THE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
BUT I REALLY TAKE ISSUE WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE PSYCHOLOGICAL BACKGROUND CHECKS AS A UNIVERSAL PRECAUTION.
I THINK THAT'S ONE THING TO GO TO THE DESERT AND TARGET SHOOT AND IT'S A WHOLE ANOTHER THING TO BE CARRYING A FIREARM AT THE READY IN YOUR PURSE.
TO TAKE ON THAT RESPONSIBILITY, I THINK A ONETIME PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM IS NOT TOO MUCH OF A BURDEN.
ON THAT POINT TOO, I THINK GIVING THE POLICE AS MUCH INFORMATION AS WE CAN WHEN THEY'RE APPROVING THESE PERMITS, IT'S HELPFUL TO THEM AND LETS THEM DO THEIR JOB IN AN EASIER WAY AND IN A MORE UNIFORM WAY.
IF WE DO MAKE IT OPTIONAL AND AT THE DISCRETION OF THE POLICE, IN TERMS OF WHO GETS A PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAMINER AND WHO DOESN'T, I THINK IT COULD BE PERCEIVED THAT THERE'S BIAS OR AN ARBITRARINESS AND WHO'S BEING SUBJECTED TO THAT ADDITIONAL LEVEL OF SCRUTINY AND THAT ADDITIONAL FEE.
IT SEEMS LIKE A FAIRNESS ISSUE REALLY TO JUST APPLY IT UNIFORMLY TO EVERYONE.
BUT I HEAR MY FELLOW CITIZENS REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT FEES.
I HAVE A LOT OF EMPATHY FOR THIS CONCERN.
FOR SOME PEOPLE, A THOUSAND DOLLARS IS NO BIG DEAL AND FOR OTHER PEOPLE, IT'S A HUGE BARRIER.
I WONDER IF THERE'S SOME CREATIVITY THAT WE COULD INSTITUTE HERE WITH A SLIDING SCALE FEE WHERE WE CAN HAVE A MEANS-TESTED FEE SCHEDULE.
LOWER-INCOME FOLKS COULD PAY A LOWER FEE OR NO FEE, AND HIGHER INCOME FOLKS COULD PAY A HIGHER FEE.
IT COULD BE STRUCTURED IN A WAY THAT WE WOULD ASSUME IT WOULD BE COST NEUTRAL TO THE PROGRAM AT LARGE.
WE'RE ESTIMATING IT ON WHAT'S THE INCOME BACKGROUND OF FOLKS THAT ARE APPLYING.
WE'RE ASKING FOR A CROSS-SUBSIDY AMONG APPLICANTS.
OR IT COULD BE THAT THE CITY LOOKS INTO ITS GENERAL FUND AND SAYS WE'RE GOING TO SUBSIDIZE THE APPLICATIONS OF LOW-INCOME RESIDENTS OF THE CITY BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THIS TO BE A DISCRIMINATORY APPROACH BASED ON INCOME.
I JUST WONDER IF THERE CAN BE SOME CREATIVITY AND FLEXIBILITY IN THE WAY THAT WE APPROACH THE FEE SCHEDULE.
WE'RE COVERING THE ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS, BUT WE'RE NOT PRESENTING COST AS A BARRIER TO ACCESS TO A PERMIT FOR SOMEONE WHO CAN MEET THE BACKGROUND REQUIREMENTS, IS TRAINED, IS PREPARED AND WANTS TO CARRY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
>> THANK YOU, MS. DUFFY. MR. GABUDON.
WE HAD SOMEONE UP THERE I BELIEVE.
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>> JOE GABUDON, 2529 AMHERST STREET.
I'M PROBABLY GOING TO BE ON BOTH SIDES OF PEOPLE I KNOW AND DON'T KNOW ON THE ISSUE AND I'M NOT AFRAID TO SAY IT.
I THINK THAT THE NECESSITY FOR THE BACKGROUND CHECK AND THE PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM ARE WORTH ASKING FOR.
I DON'T ASPIRE TO GET A CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT, MY WIFE DOES.
WE'RE BOTH HIGHLY EDUCATED, HIGHLY ACCOMPLISHED.
I THINK WE'VE DONE WELL IN THE COMMUNITY, BEEN A SCOUT MASTER, BUT I DON'T CAMP OUT TO BOYS WITHOUT ANY PROTECTION OTHER THAN MYSELF AND MY BRAIN.
I CAN SEE HOW THERE'S CONCERN FOR THOSE THAT WANT TO CARRY IT.
THAT SAID, I THINK WE CAN NARROW THIS DOWN OTHER THAN TRYING TO BE DIVISIVE AND PIT PEOPLE IN THEIR IDEOLOGY OR THEIR APPRECIATION FOR THE FACTS AND NOT THE UNDERLYING EMOTIONAL COMPONENT TO THIS BY SIMPLY SAYING IF IT'S IMPORTANT ENOUGH FOR US TO BE SAFE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND TO HAVE CITIZENS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT DESIRE TO HAVE THIS CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT AND THE RESPONSIBILITY THAT IT CARRIES, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANT.
THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT THEY TAKE THE TRAINING.
THEY HAVE THE WEAPONS ALREADY.
THEY'RE GOOD INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE WILLING TO STEP UP, PUT THEIR NAME ON THE LIST, BE IN PUBLIC, IN THIS AUDIENCE TO TELL YOU THAT THEY'RE HERE, THEY WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
THE FEES, IF IT'S THAT BIG OF A DEAL FOR THE MATTER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHY DOESN'T CITIES JUST STEP UP FOR ITS ENTIRETY COMMUNITY AND SAY, "HEY, IF YOU WANT IT, WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THE PSYCH EXAM BECAUSE IT'S THAT IMPORTANT TO EVERYBODY." GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY AND MAKE IT A NON-ISSUE.
I DON'T THINK SAM AND THE REST OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ARE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT A CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT OWNER WHEN THEY PULL SOMEBODY OVER THAN SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE LAW.
I REALLY THINK THAT WE NEED TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT WANTS SOMETHING THAT IS A SERVICE.
IT'S A SERVICE THAT THE CITY PROVIDES AND A LOT OF DIFFERENT LEVELS FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS VERSUS TRYING TO SEPARATE THEM BY SOME LINE THAT SAYS, GOOD PEOPLE, BAD PEOPLE, PEOPLE THAT ARE MORE TEND TO DO THIS VERSUS THAT.
FOR ME, I THINK THE CITY WANTS TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
PAY THE 50 GRAND, MAKE THIS GO AWAY, MAKE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY FEEL SAFE AND EVERYBODY GETS A PSYCH TEST.
IF THEY FAIL IT, THEY GET A CHANCE TO DO ANOTHER ONE.
ALSO THAT PSYCH TESTS, YOU GUYS SHOULD CONSIDER WHAT ARE THE CONDITIONS IN WHICH SOMEBODY SAYS, NO AND YES, AND WHERE RABBIT HOLE THAT TAKES US DOWN. THAT'S MY OPINION. THANK YOU.
>> HI. THANK YOU FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO YOU.
MY NAME IS LAWRENCE BLANCHARD, 4748 DEL MAR CIRCLE IN LA VERNE.
FIRST HAS TO DO WITH ALL OF THE EMOTIONAL STATISTICS THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT SOMETHING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ISSUE IN TERMS OF FIREARMS IN THE UNITED STATES.
LARGEST MOST COMPREHENSIVE SURVEY OF AMERICAN GUN OWNERS EVER CONDUCTED, SUGGESTS THAT THEY USE FIREARMS FOR SELF-DEFENSE ABOUT 1.7 MILLION TIMES PER YEAR.
THERE'S A VERY SIGNIFICANT USE OF FIREARMS ON THE GOOD SIDE AS OPPOSED TO EVIL AND IT'S USED VERY OFTEN TO HEAD OFF SOME VERY BAD SITUATIONS AND TO PROTECT PEOPLE FROM SOME VERY DANGEROUS THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN TO THEM.
SO THERE'S THAT. THE OTHER STATISTIC I WOULD LIKE TO CITE TO YOU IS THAT CONCEALED CARRY HOLDERS COMMIT LESS CRIMES THAN SWORN OFFICERS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS.
THAT'S A STATISTIC THAT HAS STOOD UP OVER TIME, THAT WHEN THEY SURVEY THE AMOUNT OF CRIMES COMMITTED BY POLICE OFFICERS, AND I RESPECT POLICE OFFICERS WERE VERY MUCH, BUT ON THEIR PERSONAL LIVES, POLICE OFFICERS COMMIT MORE CRIMES THAN CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT HOLDERS.
SO THE WHOLE NOTION THAT CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT HOLDERS ARE GOING TO BE CRIMINALS, ARE GOING TO BE OUT THERE DOING CRAZY THINGS WITH GUNS IT'S JUST BALDERDASH, IS NOT TRUE.
THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON IS THIS WHOLE THING ON THE PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION.
THIS HAS ALL BEEN PRESENTED AS A MATTER OF PERSONAL OPINION.
WELL, THE BRUEN RULING SAYS OTHERWISE.
YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PUT IN PLACE A SUBJECTIVE STANDARD IN DETERMINING WHETHER SOMEBODY GETS A CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT.
SO THIS SUBJECTIVE STANDARD IS SOMEBODY MAKING A PERSONAL OPINION ABOUT YOU AS TO WHETHER YOU SHOULD BE PERMITTED TO HAVE A GUN OR NOT.
WHAT WAS SAID IN THE BRUEN RULING IS A OBJECTIVE STANDARD.
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IN OTHER WORDS, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO A CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK ON YOU.IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO A PSYCHOLOGICAL TEST, IT HAS TO BE AN OBJECTIVE TEST IN THE SENSE OF CHECKING IF YOU'VE HAD ANY CONTACT WITH THE MENTAL HEALTH AUTHORITIES AND THAT KIND OF THING AND THEN THAT WOULD BE AN OBJECTIVE WAY OF LOOKING AT IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE.
A SUBJECTIVE STANDARD IS IF YOU HAVE A PSYCHOLOGIST WHO IS DECIDING WHETHER YOU'RE CRAZY OR NOT OR WHETHER YOU'RE ALLOWED TO CARRY A WEAPON.
THAT GETS INTO THE SUBJECTIVE STANDARD OF WHAT'S MY STANDARD AND WHY DO I ALLOW IT AND WHY I DON'T ALLOW IT AND THE SUPREME COURT SAID THAT'S NOT PERMITTED.
THAT'S WHAT THE BRUEN RULING WAS ALL ABOUT.
IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK THEY WERE BASICALLY SAYING, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO DECIDE WHETHER YOUR REASON FOR WANTING TO CARRY A GUN IS REASONABLE OR NOT AND THEY BASICALLY SAID NO TO EVERYBODY.
JUST LIKE HAPPENED HERE IN LA COUNTY.
WE HAVE 11 MILLION PEOPLE IN LA COUNTY, THEY ONLY ISSUED 135 PERMITS BECAUSE THEY SAID, YOU DON'T NEED IT, YOU DON'T DESERVE IT.
THAT'S THE SUBJECTIVE STANDARD THAT WAS APPLIED.
IT'S NOT ABOUT PEOPLE'S PERSONAL OPINIONS OR ANYTHING.
WHAT THE SUPREME COURT SAYS, IS IT HAS TO BE AN OBJECTIVE STANDARD OF MEASURE.
ONE LAST THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS REGARDING THE PERMIT STRUCTURE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MYCCW FEES, NOW, I BELIEVE THOSE ARE REDUNDANT.
BECAUSE IF WE GET DOWN TO WHERE WE'RE JUST REALLY LOOKING AT MAKING THE APPLICATION, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE STATE DOING THIS LIVE SCAN, WHICH WILL DO THE CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK, IT WILL DO THE MENTAL HEALTH BACKGROUND CHECK AT A MORE DEEP LEVEL.
THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT US PAYING FOR HAVING A CLASS THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE EIGHT OR 16 HOURS DEPENDING ON WHAT EVENTUALLY IS GOING TO HAPPEN HERE.
BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO QUALIFY WITH YOUR FIREARM AS WELL ON A RANGE.
BUT ALL OF THAT IS OUT OF THE HANDS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS GATHER THAT TOGETHER AND MAKE A DECISION.
I THINK THE MYCCW THING CAN BE COMPLETELY ELIMINATED BECAUSE WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT BASICALLY A BACKGROUND CHECK THAT THE STATE DOES.
WELL, THEY TAKE THE APP, BACKGROUND CHECK THAT THE STATE DOES, AND THEN THE CLASS THAT WE HAVE TO SUBMIT THE DOCUMENTATION ON.
I THINK THAT BY REDUCING THESE REQUIREMENTS, THEN IT GETS DOWN TO THE BRASS TAX OF I THINK THEY CAN GET RID OF MYCCW.
ANYWAY, SORRY TO TAKE SO MUCH TIME.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATED. [APPLAUSE] ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISH TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? YES, SIR.
>> MY NAME IS HARRY HOFFMAN AT 2039 MAVERICK CIRCLE, LA VERNE.
THIS IS A VERY HEATED DISCUSSION AND I UNDERSTAND.
I JUST GOT MYCCW THROUGH THE SHERIFF.
THE FEES WERE A WHOLE DIFFERENT RANGE.
LAST TIME I LOOKED, THE COUNTY HAS JURISDICTION IN STUFF LIKE THIS OVER THE CITY OF LA VERNE.
I WOULD HAVE LOVED TO HAVE GONE TO THE CITY OF LA VERNE, BUT I WAS DIRECTED THROUGH THE NRA TO GO TO MY SHERIFF SO THAT'S WHAT I DID.
WHEN I HEARD ABOUT THESE FEES ON OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SITE, I WAS APPALLED.
I CONSIDER MYSELF RELATIVELY SANE JUST COMING UP HERE.
[LAUGHTER] BUT IN SIX MONTHS, A YEAR, TWO YEARS A TRAGEDY HAPPENS, SOMETHING HAPPENS, I COULD LOSE MY MENTAL HEALTH.
THAT'S WHY THE PERMITS ARE ONLY TWO YEARS LONG AND YOU HAVE TO GO IN FOR AN INTERVIEW AND THE TRAINING WAS 16 HOURS LONG, NOT INCLUDING RANGE TIME.
THE TRAINING IS NOT A LIGHT TRAINING.
IT IS NOT AS GOOD AS A POLICE OFFICER, BUT IT IS, IN MY OPINION, SUFFICIENT THAT I CAN HANDLE A FIREARM, I CAN PROTECT MY FAMILY, AND IF NEED BE PROTECT MY NEIGHBORS IN THE EVENT THE POLICE CAN'T HELP US.
I RESPECT AND APPRECIATE THE LA VERNE PD.
WE'RE IN ONE OF THE SAFEST TOWNS IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [APPLAUSE]
>> [NOISE] I'M A LITTLE SHORT. GOOD EVENING,
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MAYOR HEPBURN CITY COUNCIL.MY NAME IS ISABELLE, AND THIS IS MY VERY FIRST LA VERNE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
I CAME TODAY BECAUSE THIS IS A TOPIC THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE CONCEALED CARRY WEAPON PROCESS BECAUSE I'M A PARENT OF THREE YOUNG KIDS WHO GO TO PRESCHOOL HERE IN LA VERNE.
I HAVE A THREE-YEAR-OLD AND TO FOUR-YEAR-OLDS.
I'M ALSO A LICENSED CLINICAL SOCIAL WORKER HERE IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
FIRST I'D LIKE TO APPLAUD THE CITY ON THEIR EFFORTS, THE CITY AND STAFF FOR REDUCING THE PROPOSED FEES FOR THE CCW PERMIT.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT AT YOUR FEBRUARY 21ST MEETING, THE COUNCIL ALREADY VOTED TO REQUIRE THE PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATIONS FOR ALL CCW PERMANENT APPLICATIONS.
I BELIEVE THIS WAS THE RIGHT DECISION.
I WOULD LIKE TO IMPLORE THIS COUNCIL TO PLEASE RETAIN THE PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATIONS AS PART OF THE PERMIT PROCESS.
AS I'M SURE YOU ALL KNOW BY NOW, FIREARMS ARE THE LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH AMONG AMERICA'S YOUTH.
THIS IS NOT JUST DUE TO SCHOOL SHOOTINGS, THIS IS DUE TO INCREASING ACCESS TO GUNS IN OUR HOMES AND IN OUR COMMUNITIES.
THESE DEATHS ARE ENTIRELY PREVENTABLE.
DURING MY SOCIAL WORK TRAINING, I WORKED IN AN ADOLESCENT HEALTH CLINIC THAT IMPLEMENTED THE BEST PRACTICE OF CONDUCTING MENTAL HEALTH SCREENINGS IN ADDITION TO PROVIDING PRIMARY CARE.
SUCH SCREENINGS, COMPLIMENTED THE MEDICAL CARE THAT OUR PATIENTS RECEIVED, AND SOMETIMES WE CAUGHT MENTAL HEALTH SYMPTOMS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN OVERLOOKED BY THE DOCTORS, NURSES, AND OTHER MEDICAL PERSONNEL THAT WERE TREATING OUR PATIENTS.
THIS WAS JUST PART OF THE TEAMWORK THAT WE DID.
THERE WERE MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS AND MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS ON THE TEAM TAKING CARE OF OUR PEOPLE.
A STANDARDIZED OBJECTIVE PSYCHOLOGICAL ASSESSMENT OR SCREENING SHOULD NOT BE VIEWED AS STIGMATIZING OR LIMITING, BUT RATHER A TOOL FOR KEEPING FOLKS HEALTHY AND SAFE HERE IN OUR COMMUNITIES.
BY ELIMINATING THE PSYCHOLOGICAL SCREENINGS FROM THE CCW PERMIT PROCESS, WE INCREASE THE CHANCES THAT A CONCEALED CARRY WEAPON ENDS UP IN THE HANDS OF SOMEONE WHO IS NOT WELL OR WHO IS NOT RESPONSIBLY ABLE TO CARRY A GUN IN PUBLIC.
BY ELIMINATING THE PSYCHOLOGICAL SCREENINGS, WE INCREASE THE CHANCES THAT LA VERNE ADDS TO THE GROWING LIST OF CITIES THAT'S BEEN MARKED BY TRAGEDIES.
THE CITY OF LA VERNE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROACTIVELY KEEP OUR COMMUNITIES SAFER BY IMPLEMENTING A PSYCHOLOGICAL SCREENING PROCESS FOR THE CCW PERMANENT APPLICATION PROCESS.
WHY NOT? IN FACT, YOU'VE ALREADY VOTED TO APPROVE IT BACK IN FEBRUARY.
I ASK THAT YOU PLEASE NOT BACK PEDAL ON THAT WHETHER YOU'RE RECONSIDERING BECAUSE OF COSTS OR POLITICAL PRESSURE.
I THINK THE SAFETY OF OUR COMMUNITY IS WORTH THE ADDED COSTS.
PLEASE KEEP MY CHILDREN SAFE WHO GO TO SCHOOL HERE IN LA VERNE.
KEEP OUR FAMILIES, OUR NEIGHBORS, OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT, OUR FIRST RESPONDERS SAFE.
LET'S GET THIS RIGHT AND RETAIN THIS PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATIONS IN THIS RESOLUTION. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [APPLAUSE] WHO ELSE IS SUPPOSED TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? WE HAVE A HAND RAISED?
>> GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.
THANK YOU FOR TAKING ME AGAIN ON THIS VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE.
I WANT TO, BEFORE I START, JUST HIGHLIGHT HOW MUCH AND HOW UNIVERSALLY THE PEOPLE OF LA VERNE CARE ABOUT THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF MINORITY, POOR, MARGINALIZED PEOPLE AND ASK THE COUNCIL TO KEEP THIS IN MIND AS WE'RE CONSIDERING OTHER THINGS IN THIS CITY.
WITH REGARD TO THE ACTUAL PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAMINATION, I JUST HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND I THINK THEY ALIGN WITH SOME OF THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT CRITERIA WILL THE CHIEF USE TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT A PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION IS NECESSARY.
I THINK THIS IS A STANDARD THAT SHOULD EXIST IF WE'RE GOING TO VOTE TO HAVE THIS BE THE PROCESS.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW ARE WE GOING TO ENSURE THAT THE CHIEF IS ALWAYS FOLLOWING THIS STANDARD AND IF THE CRITERIA ITSELF IS GOING TO BE PUBLISHED.
IF IT IS PUBLISHED, I WANT TO KNOW IF THIS IS GOING TO IMPACT THE INTEGRITY OF THE PROCESS, AND IF IT IS NOT PUBLISHED, THEN HOW DOES THE CITIZENRY RETAIN ITS ABILITY TO MAINTAIN TRANSPARENCY IN THE PROCESS? HOW WOULD THE CITY ENSURE TRANSPARENCY IN THE PROCESS OF SELECTING AND REFERRING INDIVIDUAL'S PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION.
I THINK THAT A BLANKET APPROACH WILL BASICALLY ALLEVIATE THE CITY FROM ISSUES OF ALLEGED DISCRIMINATION, WHICH I THINK WILL JUST EXPOSE THE CITY TO GREATER LITIGATION, WHICH IS WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS WHAT'S MAKING THIS A COMPLICATED ISSUE.
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I THINK SAM GONZALEZ IS GREAT.I LOOK FORWARD TO CALLING HIM FULL CHIEF WITHOUT THE ACTING QUALIFIER ONE DAY.
BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE HAS IN STORE.
WE DON'T KNOW WHO'S GOING TO BE CHIEF DOWN THE LINE.
I THINK IT REQUIRES HAVING A SYSTEMATIC PROTOCOL THAT MEANS WE'RE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY AND TRANSPARENCY IN THE SYSTEM.
I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THE POLICE WERE INITIALLY FOR PSYCH EVALUATIONS.
I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THE CHANGE IF IT IS ONLY FEE-BASED AND I AGREE SHOCKER WITH MR. GABODONE, I BELIEVE THAT THE CITY SHOULD ACTUALLY OBSERVE THE CAUSE OF ALL PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATIONS, IF THE POLICE IS CHANGE IN POSITION IS SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE CAUSE.
LASTLY, I UNDERSTAND THAT A SIGNIFICANT CONCERN IS POTENTIAL LITIGATION.
I'VE SEEN THE CITY COUNCIL TELL MORE THAN ENOUGH LAWYERS TO GO CAMPAIGN FOR THINGS LIKE SMELLING AND QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES.
I THINK THIS MIGHT BE ONE OF THE TIMES WHERE THE CITY COULD TAKE A STAND, AND IF LITIGATION'S EVER APPROPRIATE, I THINK THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT LITIGATION IS APPROPRIATE FOR.
BUT IF CALIFORNIA IS ALSO GOING TO CREATE A STANDARD THEN I THINK, LET'S LEAVE IT TO THE STATE TO LITIGATE THIS ISSUE AND WE MAY NOT EVEN GET INVOLVED IN THIS AT FEAR OF CREATING MORE HARM THAN GOOD ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.
I'M HOPING TO GET SOME RESPONSE TO THOSE QUESTIONS.
I DO AGREE WITH THE BRUINS STANDARD THAT THE PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAMINATION SHOULD BE OBJECTIVE.
I THINK PSYCHOLOGISTS CAN BE DISCRIMINATORY TOO.
I STRICTLY OBJECTIVE SYSTEM THAT MAKES SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THIS THE SAFEST WAY POSSIBLE IS WHAT I'M ADVOCATING FOR.
>> GOOD EVENING [NOISE] CITY COUNCIL.
I KNOW YOU-ALL HAVE A TOUGH JOB.
STEPHEN WARD, 47 60 CHI ESTRADA.
THANK YOU ALL FOR LISTENING, I KNOW THIS'S A LONG MEETING AND YOU GOT A TOUGH JOB WHERE YOU'RE BOUND TO MAKE SOME PEOPLE DISAPPOINTED.
BUT SIX WEEKS AGO, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CAME AND PRESENTED TO YOU AND YOU VOTED UNANIMOUSLY ON THE FEE STRUCTURE AND THE REQUIREMENTS INCLUDING A PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION UNANIMOUSLY.
SINCE THEN, NOTHING HAS CHANGED IN SIX WEEKS OTHER THAN SOME PUBLIC PUSHBACK AND A THREAT OF LITIGATION.
I'M SURE YOUR CITY ATTORNEY HAS ALREADY TOLD YOU YOU'RE ABLE TO COST RECOVER FOR THE FEES INVOLVED HERE.
ICCW WAS CHEAPER THAN DOING THIS IN HOUSE, DOING THE LIVE SCAN, THE WEAPONS TRAINING, ALL THOSE CHARGES THAT DON'T GO TO THE CITY ARE REQUIRED UNDER STATE LAW.
WHILE I RECOGNIZE THE IMPULSE TO RESPOND TO THE GOOD FAITH CONCERNS OF THOSE WHO HAVE ISSUES WITH THE COSTS, THE FEES ARE JUSTIFIABLE AND THEY'RE DEFENSIBLE.
WELL, I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE CITY DRAGGED INTO LITIGATION OVER SOMEBODY SAVING A FEW HUNDRED BUCKS ON THIS APPLICATION.
IT IS A DEFENSIBLE FEE AND SO I DO WANT TO START WITH THAT.
BUT IF YOU WANT TO AVOID THAT, IF YOU WANT TO BE RESPONSIVE AND SAY LET'S INCUR SOME OF THE COSTS.
LET'S LOWER ARTIFICIALLY THE FEES AND EAT SOME MORE OF THE COSTS TO SATISFY THE GOOD FAITH CONCERNS OF A LOT OF RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNERS IN THIS ROOM AND SOME GUN OWNERS ON THE DAYS.
I RESPECT THAT AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT I DON'T THINK THE PLACE TO CUT COSTS IS BY ELIMINATING THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION.
SIX WEEKS AGO WHEN THIS FIRST CAME UP, MAYOR PRO TICK CROSBY, YOU SAID THE PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION WAS NEEDED.
MAYOR HEPBURN, YOU AGREED, AND YOU SAID IT WAS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
THE LA VERNE POLICE DEPARTMENT, I PULLED THIS FROM THEIR WEBSITE TODAY.
THEY SAID THAT THE DETAILED ASSESSMENT THAT PSYCHOLOGICAL ASSESSMENT PROVIDES IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE POLICE CHIEF AS IT ASSIST WITH MAKING AN INFORMED DECISION WHEN ISSUING A CCW PERMANENT.
THEY MENTIONED THAT THE EXAM THAT IS PROVIDED IS USED BY MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS TO ASSESS AND DIAGNOSE MENTAL ILLNESSES SUCH AS DEPRESSION, ANXIETY, ANY SOCIAL, OR PSYCHOTIC BEHAVIORS.
THIS MORNING I SPOKE TO ONE OF THE LICENSED CLINICAL FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGISTS FROM THE COUNSELING TEAM, THE VENDOR, THE LA VERNE PD ASSOCIATES WITH, AND SHE'S AN EXPERT IN THREAT ASSESSMENTS.
SHE TOLD ME THAT THE EXAM CAN FLAG THINGS SUCH AS FOLKS THAT HAVE PROBLEMS WITH EMOTIONAL REGULATION,
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ANGER MANAGEMENT, PARANOIA, PSYCHOSIS, AND OTHER ANTI-SOCIAL BEHAVIORS.THESE ARE THE FOLKS THAT WE DON'T WANT TO BE CARRYING A WEAPON AT ALL TIMES.
NOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT A PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION IS NOT REQUIRED TO OBTAIN A FIREARM AND CCW PERMIT REQUIREMENT IS NOT GOING TO STOP EVERY PERSON WHO HAS ILL INTENT OR WHO'S UNWELL FROM COMMITTING AN ACT OF GUN VIOLENCE.
BUT STATISTICS ARE CLEAR, LOOSER CARRY LAWS LEAD TO INCREASES IN GUN VIOLENCE.
BECAUSE WE HAVE FOLKS THAT MIGHT NOT BE MENTALLY OR EMOTIONALLY STABLE ENOUGH TO CARRY THE ENORMOUS RESPONSIBILITY OF CARRYING A WEAPON WITH THEM AT ALL TIMES, AND THE LIKELIHOOD OF A ROUTINE DISPUTE TURNING INTO A SHOOTOUT IN A BAR, IN A GROCERY STORE ON THE ROAD INCREASES DRAMATICALLY.
THE COST CURRENTLY IS KEPT AT $150 THAT THE APPLICANT CAN PAY.
SP2 LIFT THAT CAP ALTOGETHER SO THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE TO SUBSIDIZE IT.
BUT I ECHO OTHERS, IF YOU WANT TO SUBSIDIZE SOMETHING, INSTEAD OF SUBSIDIZING THE ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS, SUBSIDIZE THE COST OF THE PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION, SUBSIDIZE KEEPING THE CITY SAFE.
BECAUSE AS THE LA VERNE POLICE DEPARTMENT SAID, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
MAYOR HEPBURN, YOU SAID IT WAS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, MAYOR PRO TEM CROSBY, YOU SAID IT WAS NEEDED LESS THAN SIX WEEKS AGO.
I ASK THAT YOU NOT BACK OFF OF THESE POSITIONS.
YOUR CITY ATTORNEY HAS TOLD YOU YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO REQUIRE THIS COMMONSENSE STEP IN THE PROCESS.
I ASK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU WHO HAVE CAMPAIGNED ON AND SPOKEN ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF PUBLIC SAFETY, TAKE A STAND TODAY AND KEEP THE PSYCHOLOGICAL ASSESSMENT REQUIREMENTS AND STANDARDS FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY OF OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, MR. WARD. [APPLAUSE] MR. BOWEN? [NOISE]
>> MR. MAYOR COUNCIL RICK BOWEN [NOISE] I'LL MAKE THIS QUICK.
FIRST SPEAKER TONIGHT AQMD, SAYS, WE HAVE LOTS OF MONEY, COME DOWN BUY SOMETHING.
WE'LL REBATE YOU $250 IF YOU BUY A DAMN LAWNMOWER.
WE'RE NOT KIDDING ANYBODY THE STATE HAS.
YOU WANT TO SUBSIDIZE SOMETHING, SUBSIDIZE THIS, INSTEAD OF BUYING A DAMN LAWN MOWER, MY OPINION.
[APPLAUSE] NUMBER 2, I MAY BE ONE OF THE FEW PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM THAT ACTUALLY DID HAVE A GUN PUT TO MY HEAD.
TONIGHT IT REMINDED ME, 30 YEARS AGO ABOUT I WALKED INTO NORM ROBBERY.
TO THIS NIGHT, I NEVER EVER BLAMED THE GUN.
I BLAMED THAT JACKASS THAT WAS THERE ROBBING THE STORE, AND TOOK ME AND OTHER BUNCH OF PEOPLE HOSTAGE.
OBVIOUSLY, NOTHING HAPPENED, BUT NEVER BLAMED THE GUN.
I BLAME THE GUY THAT WAS A CRIMINAL THAT WAS ROBBING THE STORE.
LASTLY, I LIKE TO SAY IS, PUT LOT OF STUFF TONIGHT, WEEK AGO TODAY, A MENTALLY ILL PERSON THAT WAS ALLOWED TO BUY, I THINK THE LAST COUNT WAS SEVEN GUNS, HER PARENTS SAID SHE WAS MENTALLY ILL, WALKED INTO A CHRISTIAN SCHOOL, KILLED THREE, NINE YEAR OLD CHILDREN, AND THREE ADULTS TRYING TO PROTECT THOSE CHILDREN.
IF ANYTHING, I HOPE TO GOD, WE REMEMBER THOSE THREE KIDS, PARTICULARLY ON TONIGHT'S EVENING. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, MR. BOWEN. [APPLAUSE] ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
>> NOTHING ON THE QUEUE. [BACKGROUND] GOOD EVENING.
>> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. I'M TERRY PRENTICE, 2986 WINDWARD STREET.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF THINGS TOSSED AROUND HERE.
BUT THE SECOND AMENDMENT, I WANT TO READ IT ALONG WITH THE PUNCTUATION BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT.
BECAUSE THE PUNCTUATION DIVIDES THINGS, IT SEPARATES THINGS, IT EXPOUNDS THINGS, AND IT QUALIFIES THINGS.
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>> [OVERLAPPING] MR. PRENTICE, CAN YOU [OVERLAPPING] PULL THE MIC CLOSER TO YOU?
>> OKAY. "A WELL-REGULATED MILITIA, BEING NECESSARY TO THE SECURITY OF A FREE STATE, THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED." IT DOESN'T SAY YOU HAVE TO BE A PART OF A MILITIA, IT JUST SAYS THAT A MILITIA IS IMPORTANT AND A SEPARATE SENTENCE SAYS IT'S NECESSARY.
THEN IT GOES ON TO SAY THAT THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, NONE OF THESE RIGHTS SHOULD BE INFRINGED.
AS I SPOKE WITH MAYOR PRO TEM CROSBY AT THE LAST MEETING, I MENTIONED THAT I THOUGHT THE COSTS WERE QUITE HIGH AND HIGH COST FROM ECONOMICALLY DEPRIVED PEOPLE FROM BEING ABLE TO GET A PERMIT ISN'T INFRINGEMENT.
BUT I DISAGREE WITH THE PART ABOUT THAT A PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION IS NOT IMPORTANT.
PEOPLE WHO CARRY GUNS, MOSTLY POLICE OFFICERS, THEY GO THROUGH EXTENSIVE PSYCHOLOGICAL TESTS BEFORE THEY WERE HIRED.
IF THERE ARE PROBLEMS DURING THEIR PROFESSIONAL CAREERS, THEY GO THROUGH PSYCHOLOGICAL TESTING.
WHEN THEY RETIRE, IF THEY'VE KEPT UP WITH THEIR FIREARMS TRAINING AND STANDARDS, THEY CAN APPLY FOR A CCW CERTIFICATION EXCEPT IF THEY RETIRE FOR PSYCHOLOGICAL REASONS, THEY ARE INELIGIBLE FOR A CCW PERMIT.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE A PSYCHOLOGICAL TESTING, THERE'S NO SCREENING HERE.
YOU HAVE ONE PERSON ON A GIVEN DAY MAKING A DECISION WITHOUT HAVING UNNECESSARY INFORMATION.
WE DON'T NEED RAMBOS EITHER IN UNIFORM OR OUT OF UNIFORM RUNNING AROUND WAVING GUNS AT PEOPLE.
I THINK PSYCHOLOGICAL TESTING IS VERY IMPORTANT.
I KNOW THERE'S BEEN COMMENTS MADE ABOUT THAT YOU CAN HAVE THE SUBJECTIVE STANDARDS TO THAT, BUT I KNOW THAT IN 2022, SUPREME COURT RULED AGAINST THE CITY OF NEW YORK CITY.
THEY SAID THEY COULD NOT HAVE THE PROPER NEED TO ISSUE A PERMIT FOR CARRYING A GUN OUTSIDE OF THE HOME.
THIS WASN'T ABOUT CONCEALED WEAPONS, THIS IS ABOUT CARRYING A GUN OUTSIDE OF THE HOME.
THEY SAID THAT THERE SHOULD BE NO RESTRICTIONS ON SOMEONE CARRYING A GUN OUTSIDE THEIR HOME.
NOW WE HAVE 26 STATES, AND I UNDERSTAND MAYBE 28 STATES THAT ARE CALLED CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY.
THAT MEANS THERE'S NO PROVISIONS HERE.
THERE IS NO PSYCHOLOGICAL TESTING, THERE'S NONE OF THAT.
PEOPLE WHO HAVE CCW PERMITS ARE SELDOM EVER INVOLVED IN ILLEGAL SHOOTINGS.
IN FACT, EVERY WEEK IF YOU FOLLOW ALL THE NEWS, OFTEN SEVERAL TIMES A WEEK, YOU WILL HEAR OR READ THAT A PERSON WHO HAS A CCW SAVE PEOPLE'S LIVES FROM AN ACTIVE SHOOTER? BE IT WAS A LIQUOR STORE, OR GROCERY STORE, OR JUST IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, PEOPLE ARE PROTECTING THEIR HOUSE.
I THINK THAT THE PSYCHOLOGICAL TESTING IS VERY IMPORTANT.
IF WE WANT TO LOWER THE COST ON IT, I THINK WE OUGHT TO DO AWAY THE ADMINISTRATIVE FEES AND ALL THE REST OF THAT STUFF.
BUT THE PSYCHOLOGICAL TESTING AND FIREARMS TRAINING, KNOWING WHEN TO SHOOT, UNDER WHAT CONDITIONS THEY ARE ALLOWED TO SHOOT AND WHEN THEY CANNOT SHOOT.
WHAT IS IN THE BACKGROUND OF WHERE WE'RE GOING TO FIRE THAT FIREARM.
THOSE ARE THE IMPORTANT THINGS.
ANOTHER THING IS, IF SOMEONE IS THINKING ABOUT GETTING THE CCW PERMIT, IT'S MORE THAN JUST CARRYING A GUN ON YOUR HIP OR SHOULDER OR SO.
THERE'S A LOT OF LIABILITY GOES WITH THAT.
YOU NEED TO HAVE A SAFE IN YOUR HOUSE WHERE YOU CAN KEEP THE GUN SAFE.
WHEN YOU TRAVEL, YOU SHOULD HAVE ONE IN YOUR CAR.
THIS PAST YEAR, I VISITED MY GRANDSON WHO WAS UP IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA.
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HE'S AN EXECUTIVE WITH A SCHOOL DISTRICT UP THERE.HE WAS TAKING AROUND SHOWING THE SCHOOLS.
WELL, I'M GLAD I HAD MY TRAPPING GUN SAFE IN MY CAR BECAUSE UNLIKELY IF I WENT ON TO CAMPUS CARRYING A GUN, THAT I WOULD HAVE BEEN ARRESTED.
BUT I PUT IT IN THE SAFE AND LOCKED IT OUT SO THERE WOULD BE NO QUESTION OF THAT.
ANYBODY GETS CHW PERMIT, GET INSURANCE TO COVER YOU IN THOSE INSTANCES. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, MR. PRENTICE. [APPLAUSE] WE HAVE ONE PERSON ON THE CALL.
ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM BEFORE WE GO TO THE CALL HER? [NOISE]
>> HI, COUNCIL. THIS IS BRITTANY ALLISON.
I AM CALLING, AND I WISH I EMAILED EACH OF YOU BACK IN FEBRUARY BECAUSE I WAS SO PROUD TO COME FROM LA VERNE.
[NOISE] I'M ALSO PROUD OF YOUR WILLINGNESS TO RECONSIDER COST AND GOING BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD OF FINDING WAYS TO ENSURE EQUITABLE ACCESS.
I'M SO HAPPY ABOUT HOW MANY SCHOLARS HAVE COME IN, BUT ALSO CARE ABOUT EQUITY IN OUR COMMUNITY.
>> WE'RE LOSING YOU. IT'S CUTTING OUT, JUST A SECOND. I'LL PUT YOU ON THE MIC.
YOU'RE GOING TO BE HIGHER. JUST GIVE ME ONE SECOND. GO AHEAD.
>> ALL RIGHT. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW OKAY?
>> YOU CAN HEAR ME NOW BETTER? OKAY. I'M GOING TO TELL YOU IT WAS SOUNDING REALLY GOOD, SO I HOPE IT WAS GOOD THE SECOND TIME AROUND.
[LAUGHTER] I'M CALLING BECAUSE I REALLY WISH THAT I HAD EMAILED EACH OF YOU BACK IN FEBRUARY BECAUSE I WAS SO PROUD OF COMING FROM LA VERNE.
I WAS PROUD OF MY POLICE TEAMS. I WAS PROUD OF CITY COUNCIL.
I WAS PROUD OF THE WORK THAT THE STAFF HAD DONE, AND I WAS PROUD THAT YOU WERE WILLING TO INCLUDE THE REQUIREMENT FOR A PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION IN THE APPLICATION PROCESS, AND FOR THE RECORD, I'M ALSO PROUD OF YOU FOR THE WILLINGNESS TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARDS AND FIND OUT WAYS THAT YOU CAN RE-CONSIDER COST.
I'M SO PROUD OF ALL THE PEOPLE WHO CALLED IN AND CARE ABOUT ENSURING EQUITABLE ACCESS TO THINGS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
BUT WHAT I CANNOT STOMACH IS HAVING 150 DOLLARS FOR A PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION BE SOMETHING THAT FALLS OFF THE WAYSIDE.
NOT BECAUSE I THINK EVERYONE NEEDS A PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION, IN FACT, I THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO IMPACT MOST PEOPLE WHO APPLY.
BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT A BACKGROUND CHECK, DOJ INFORMATION, AND POLICE CHIEFS SUBJECTIVE DECISION-MAKING IS GOING TO MISS THINGS THAT A MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL WHO IS AN EXPERT IN THIS TYPE OF ANALYSIS WOULD NOT MISS.
HAVING THE RESPONSIBILITY OF MY FAMILY'S SAFETY MEANS THAT I BELIEVE EVERY FIBER THAT WE ADD TO THE SAFETY NET THAT KEEPS OUR COMMUNITY SAFE IS WORTH IT.
NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS, INCLUDING YOUR RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS IS ABSOLUTE, SO HAVING COST, FEES, TRAININGS, AND EVALUATIONS THAT ENSURE THAT THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE ENTRUSTED WITH THIS RESPONSIBILITY ARE ABSOLUTELY SAFE AND TRAINED, IS A WAY OF BALANCING THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS WITH THE COMMUNITY'S RIGHT TO LIFE.
WE KNOW THAT CRIMES OF PASSION AND IMPULSIVE ASSAULTS AND EVEN SUICIDES ARE ABSOLUTELY A THING, AND THERE'S STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN SHOWN STATISTICS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP.
IN MY RESEARCH BACK IN SEPTEMBER, JOHNS HOPKINS SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH FOUND THAT THE AVERAGE RATES OF ASSAULT WITH FIREARMS INCREASE AN AVERAGE OF 9.5% RELATIVE TO FORECASTED TRENDS AFTER 34 STATES RELAXED RESTRICTIONS.
WHAT THIS MEANT IS WHEN STATES RELAXED RESTRICTIONS ON CIVILIANS CARRYING CONCEALED FIREARMS IN PUBLIC, THEY SAW AN INCREASE IN THE AVERAGE RATE OF ASSAULTS WITH FIREARMS, AND SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO GET TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
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I THINK THAT WE NEED TO ADD THIS LAYER OF SAFETY TO THIS PROCESS AND I'M REALLY HAPPY TO HEAR.IT SOUNDS LIKE MOST SCHOLARS ARE GREAT. THANKS SO MUCH.
>> THANK YOU, BRITTANY. [APPLAUSE] ANY OTHER SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? ROBIN CARDER. OH, YOU'RE LEAVING.
>> GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.
I WAS NOT EXPECTING TO SPEAK TONIGHT.
MY NAME IS MORGAN CASTLE AND I'M A REGISTERED NURSE IN THE COMMUNITY.
WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF OPINIONS THIS EVENING AND I CAN RESPECT ALL OF THEM.
WORKING IN THE AREA OF SCIENCE, I REALLY LIKE TO SEE OBJECTIVE INFORMATION, NOT NECESSARILY SUBJECTIVE INFORMATION AND WE'VE HEARD ALL ABOUT THE PSYCH EXAMS, WHETHER I THINK IT'S CORRECT OR NOT, WHICH I DO NOT THINK IT'S CORRECT AND I RESPECT THE CHIEF'S DECISION TO BASE THIS ON INFORMATION THAT COMES FROM THE BACKGROUND CHECKS AND CRIMINAL RECORDS.
I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE RENEWAL PROCESS BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM ANYBODY THAT EXPLAINS WHAT MYCCW IS DOING ON THE ONLINE AND IT'S BEEN PRETTY SIMPLE.
SERGEANT WEINREB HAS BEEN GREAT AND RESPONSIVE AND HELPING WITH THAT BUT I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO RENEWAL TIME, IT WILL BE VERY REDUNDANT AND THAT IS ONE THING THAT WE CAN DO TO LOWER FEES.
I'M WILLING TO PAY THE MONEY TO GET THIS ALL DONE.
I'M A RESPONSIBLE FIREARM OWNER MYSELF, AND I LIKE THAT YOU HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH A FEW HOOPS. THAT'S OKAY.
BUT WITH THE BRUEN DECISION, I THINK IT TAKES AWAY A LOT OF THE GUESSING GAME OUT OF THIS.
I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT WHAT THE RENEWAL PROCESS WILL LOOK LIKE IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS WHEN ALL OF US HAVE GONE THROUGH THE INITIAL PROCESS.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [APPLAUSE] ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NO OTHERS, WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND BRAIN TO THE CHIEF.
THERE WAS A COUPLE TWO OR THREE QUESTIONS.
>> YEAH. [LAUGHTER] ONE OF THEM WAS A LIABILITY ISSUE.
IF WE ISSUE A PERMIT, I THINK WAS ONE OF THE BIG QUESTIONS WAS, WHAT KIND OF LIABILITY DO WE HAVE AS AN ENTITY FOR THE CCW PERMIT HOLDER, IF THERE'S AN ISSUE THAT ARISES.
>> AS YOU HEARD FROM SOME OF THE SPEAKERS THIS EVENING IS THAT THEY SUGGEST YOU BUY INSURANCE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS RECOMMENDED IS THAT YOU BUY INSURANCE.
YOUR DECISION TO CONCEALED CARRY COMES WITH GREAT RESPONSIBILITY, JUST LIKE A POLICE OFFICER.
YOUR DECISION TO PULL A WEAPON AND DISCHARGE IT.
THE LIABILITIES IN YOUR HANDS.
>> THE WAY THE MAYOR ASKED WAS THE LIABILITY IS NOT ON THE CITY, IT'S ON THE PERSON.
>> UNDERSTANDING THAT AN INDIVIDUAL WHO GETS A CCW AND GOES THROUGH THE CLEARING AND GETS THE PERMIT TO CARRY, IF WE DO OUR OWN BACKGROUND CHECKS AS FAR AS PSYCHOLOGICAL TESTING AND THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH THAT PERSON THAT GOT THE CCW AND THERE IS AN ACTION THAT THEY TAKE THAT'S A HEINOUS ACTION.
ARE WE RESPONSIBLE AS A CITY THAT ALLOWED THEM WITH A PSYCHOLOGICAL BACKING OR ARE WE LIABLE FOR THAT SITUATION AS FAR AS LAWSUIT?
>> PERHAPS MR. MAYOR, I COULD ADDRESS THAT.
>> ATTORNEY BARLOW, THANK YOU.
YOU'RE COMING OUT OF THE FIRE.
>> FIRST OF ALL, NOTHING EVER PREVENTS THE CITY FROM GETTING SUED.
CERTAINLY, THE CITY IS MORE LIKELY TO GET SUED IF THEY DID ISSUE A CCW PERMIT TO SOMEONE WHO THEN USE THAT PERMIT OR WAS CARRYING CONCEALED AND CAUSED INJURY TO SOMEONE ELSE.
I THINK THE REAL RISK FOR THE CITY IS IF WE FAIL TO PAY ATTENTION TO WHATEVER INFORMATION WE GET BACK FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, FROM A LICENSED PSYCHOLOGIST IF THAT IS REQUIRED.
IF WE DON'T DO THE PROPER SEARCHES AND SO ON, WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD BACKGROUND CHECK, THEN I THINK THE CITY COULD POTENTIALLY FACE LIABILITY BY ISSUING A CCW TO SOMEONE WHO SHOULD NOT HAVE RECEIVED ONE.
BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE CITY WOULD NOT BE LIABLE FOR AN INJURY CAUSED BY A CCW CARRIER IF THEY WERE PROPERLY ISSUED A LICENSE.
>> THANK YOU, MS. [INAUDIBLE] THIS IS ACTUALLY A QUESTION
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THAT WAS PRESENTED TO MS. [INAUDIBLE] DURING THE PROCESS AS WELL.TO MOVE ON TO MR. ALLISON'S QUESTIONS.
I APPRECIATE THE CONCERNS AND THE COMMENTS.
I BELIEVE HIS FIRST QUESTION WAS, WHAT IS THE CHEESE CRITERIA FOR RECOMMENDING A PSYCHOLOGICAL? THAT I'M GOING TO KEEP CLOSE TO MY POCKET.
IT'S LIKE GIVING THE ANSWERS TO THE TEST THE WAY.
SOMEONE COMES TO TAKE AN EXAMINATION, THEY ALREADY HAVE THE ANSWERS PREDESIGNATED.
THE DEPARTMENT'S STANCE AS FAR AS PSYCHOLOGICAL IS CONCERNED IS AS I MENTIONED IN MY PRESENTATION, [NOISE] THAT WE REQUIRE TO HAVE PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAMS TO PROVIDE THE POLICE CHIEF EITHER MYSELF IN AN ACTING CAPACITY OR WHEN COLLEEN RETURNS THE BEST INFORMATION IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC.
WE WERE ASKED TO COMPLETELY LOOK AT THE ENTIRE PROCESS AND ENSURE WE WERE STILL OBTAINING THE BEST INFORMATION TO ACHIEVE THAT GOAL.
THAT'S IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE DEPARTMENT.
IT'S TRULY A NEEDLE IN THE HAYSTACK.
BUT THAT'S THE DETERMINATION THAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY.
HIS SECOND QUESTION WAS REQUIRING PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM.
IF WE LEAVE IT TO THE CHIEF AS A DISCRETION, WOULD WE BE SUBJECT TO LAWSUITS? AGAIN, MS. BARLOWS STATED IT PERFECTLY THAT IN A 25 PLUS YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN DOING THIS JOB, IF I WORRIED ABOUT BEING SUED, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO MY JOB.
AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING TO OBTAIN THE BEST INFORMATION TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION FOR EVERYBODY, NOT FOR A SELECT FEW.
EITHER SIDE OF THE AISLE WE'RE LOOKING TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION AS POSSIBLE.
>> THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE CERTAINLY?
>> CAN I JUST ASK FOR CLARIFICATION BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY.
I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT TO GIVE AWAY THE ANSWERS TO THE TEST.
I THINK THE QUESTION REALLY, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING WHAT MR. ALLISON WAS SAYING CORRECTLY, IS THAT IS THE CHIEF OR WHOEVER IS ACTING IN HER STEAD MAKING A DECISION FOR ADMINISTERING OR THE NEED TO ADMINISTER A PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM BASED ON INDEPENDENT INFORMATION RECEIVED? OR IS IT A SUBJECTIVE, HEY, YOU LOOK SKETCHY TO ME.
I THINK THAT'S THE QUESTION BETWEEN OBJECTIVITY AND SUBJECTIVITY.
IF IT IS GOING TO BE A DISCRETIONARY REQUIREMENT IN TERMS OF WHO NEEDS TO HAVE A PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM, ON WHAT OBJECTIVE BASIS IS THAT DETERMINED?
>> THAT IS BASED ON THE INFORMATION OBTAINED IN THE PSYCHOLOGICAL.
>> IN BACKGROUND TO HAVE A PSYCHOLOGICAL PERFORMANCE.
>> THEN JUST TO FURTHER CLARIFY, BECAUSE I THINK SOMEONE ELSE HAD MENTIONED UNDER THE BACKGROUND CHECK THAT THERE WAS LETTERS OF RECOMMENDATION OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT AND THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
IT'S REFERENCES AS IN ANY BACKGROUND CHECK THAT WOULD BE CONDUCTED, THERE ARE REFERENCES ASKED FOR THAT ARE INCLUDED WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THAT BACKGROUND. IS THAT CORRECT?
>> WE ASKED THE POLICE CHIEF, THE INTERIM PLAYER, THE ACTING POLICE CHIEF, GONZALEZ, TO GO BACK BECAUSE WE HAD SUCH REVERBERATION OVER THE AMOUNT THAT THESE FEES WERE.
WE DECIDED THAT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO MAYBE GO BACK AND REVISIT IT TO SEE IF THERE WAS SOME WAY THAT THEY COULD REDUCE THE COST.
BUT I THINK HERE WE'RE GOING TO BE FACED WITH THE CHALLENGE OF, I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THE SAFETY OF OUR CHILDREN, THE SAFETY OF OUR RESIDENTS, AND THE SAFETY OF OUR EMPLOYEES WHEN WE MAKE THESE DECISIONS.
UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE FEES FREE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY AT THIS POINT, YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
WE ARE FACED WITH MANY OTHER THINGS IN OUR CITY THAT COST. WE HAVE EMPLOYEES.
WE ARE ALREADY IN THIS CURRENT FEE STRUCTURE, NOT THE NEW FEE STRUCTURE, BUT THE CURRENT FEE STRUCTURE WE'RE GOING TO BE $15,000 OF COST TO THE CITY.
IS THAT CORRECT? WITH THIS NEW FEE, WE WILL BE ABSORBING $15,000 WITH A COST.
>> IF YOU'RE EQUATING THAT TO THE AMOUNT OF SUBSIDIES THAT WE'LL BE USING TOWARDS THE PSYCHOLOGICAL.
>> FORGET THE PSYCHOLOGICAL, BUT THE ONE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING NOW FOR THE $786.
ARE WE STILL UTILIZING $15,000 OF CITY FUNDS TO SUBSIDIZE THIS AS IT CURRENTLY IS?
>> WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS SUBSIDIES OF PERFORMING THE ACTUAL EXAMS, WE HAVE ADJUSTED THOSE AMOUNTS SO THAT WE CAN MAKE IT MORE PALATABLE.
WOULD IT BE $50,000 I'D HAVE TO DOUBLE-CHECK THE MATH.
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>> THAT'S WHAT IT STATED LAST TIME.
WE'RE ACTUALLY ARE SUBSIDIZING ALREADY WITH OUR CURRENT FEE STRUCTURE.
>> YES. CORRECT. THE DECISION HAS TO BE MADE BASICALLY ON THIS AS THE SAFETY OF THE OVERALL RESIDENTS AND UNDERSTANDING THAT WE ARE DOING THIS AND THAT SP2 MAY CHANGE THE COMPLEXITY THAT'S COMPLETELY WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR OR LESS.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. THE QUESTION CAME UP A LOT THIS PAST WEEK WAS WHY ARE WE COME BACK AND VISITING THIS? I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW, THAT WHAT MY REASONS WHY.
AFTER OUR DECISION SIX WEEKS AGO, THE INFORMATION THAT WAS GIVEN TO US, WE HAD SOME COMPARABLE CITIES.
THE COMPARABLE CITIES WERE JUST LIKE CITIES LIKE OURS AND THEY WEREN'T ALL THE CITIES AROUND US.
AS YOU SAW, THE CHIEF PUT UP ALL THE CITIES AROUND US.
WE GOT THAT INFORMATION AFTERWARDS.
THAT REALLY CHANGED AND MADE ME REALLY LOOK AT OUR RESIDENTS.
ARE RESIDENTS BEING TREATED THE SAME AS OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING THROUGH OUR CITY EVERY DAY AND AROUND? I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR RESIDENTS ARE KEPT.
I REALLY DO APPRECIATE EVERYONE COMING UP AND SPEAKING TONIGHT.
WE HAD OVER 26 PEOPLE COME UP AND SPEAKING ON THIS ITEM.
I APPRECIATE THE QUORUM OF THE PEOPLE SPEAKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE.
I DID SAY SIX WEEKS AGO THAT THE PSYCHOLOGICAL TEST I BELIEVE THAT WAS NEEDED.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THOUGH AND VERIFY THAT AS WELL THOUGH.
I BELIEVE IN OUR NEW PROPOSAL BECAUSE I WAS WORKING WITH AND SPEAKING WITH THE CHIEF ABOUT OUR NEW PROPOSAL AND REALLY HEARD ABOUT OUR RESIDENTS AND WHAT PSYCHOLOGICAL TESTS DO AND REALLY LEARNED ABOUT IT WAS THAT IF WE FEEL IT'S NECESSARY THEN THEY SHOULD HAVE THEM.
I AM FOR THE FIRST PROPOSAL, THAT OF WHERE BECAUSE OF BACKGROUND CHECK AND BECAUSE OF THE INTERVIEW, THEN WE NEED A PSYCHOLOGICAL TEST THEN THAT RESIDENT NEEDS TO HAVE ONE.
IF WE HAVE 90% OF OUR RESIDENTS THAT HAVE NO ISSUES, HAVE NO PROBLEMS AND THEY GO THROUGH ALL THAT PROCESS, THEN THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT PIECE BE PUT ON THEM.
THE STRUCTURES OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE REALLY WANT TO LOOK AT IS THROUGH OUR OBJECTIVE VIEW FROM OUR CHIEF AND THROUGH THE PROCESS OF THE BACKGROUND CHECK.
THIS IS A TOUGH SUBJECT TO HAVE.
JIM CARLSON, HE SAID LAST TIME, WHERE THIS IS LIKE A STATE ISSUE AND A COUNTRY ISSUE BUT ON THE STATE IT'S PUT ON OUR LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES.
I REALLY BELIEVE WHEN WE HAVE THESE LARGER ISSUES WE SHOULD ALL BE THE SAME AS THE STATE.
SP2 IS TRYING TO WORK ON THAT, BUT WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GOING EVER PASS.
WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR CITY AND OUR RESIDENTS ARE TAKEN CARE OF AND THE RIGHT FOR THEM TO HAVE THAT IS IN PLACE AS WELL.
BUT I DO AGREE THAT IF WE HAD ONE RULE FOR THE ENTIRE STATE, SO THAT WE KNOW WHO'S CARRYING ROUTE AND THEY ALL GO BY THE SAME RULE.
THAT WOULD BE MUCH BETTER THAN EVERY CITY MAKING DIFFERENT RULES UP.
I REALLY DID APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT LAST TIME AND SAYING THAT TO US.
PEOPLE BELIEVE I'VE CHANGED MY MIND OR CHANGED MY VIEW OR WHY WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS AGAIN, IS MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM CROSBY, COUNCILMEMBER LAU.
>> I JUST WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, AGAIN, JUST A REMINDER ABOUT WHY WE CAME BACK, AND I DO WANT TO ASSURE THE PUBLIC THAT IN THE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, I THINK THE OTHER THING THAT YOU SHOULD BE AWARE OF IS THAT I THINK WE'RE LEARNING AS WE GO IN TERMS OF HOW CERTAIN THINGS GET COMMUNICATED OUT.
I THINK THAT ONE OF THE TAKEAWAYS FOR US WAS THE NEXT TIME THAT THERE IS SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE CONTROVERSIAL OR ENGENDER A LOT OF FEEDBACK, THAT WE NEED TO BE MORE ON THE FOREFRONT OF IT AND CONDUCT SOMETHING LIKE
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A STUDY SESSION TO ELICIT THOSE COMMENTS BEFORE A PROPOSAL IS PUT FORTH, VOTED ON, AND THEN EVERYBODY GETS CONFUSED AGAIN WHEN IT GETS BROUGHT BACK ON THE AGENDA.THAT IS OUR ATTESTATION TO YOU THAT WE'RE LEARNING AS WE'RE GOING.
WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE BEST THAT WE CAN.
I THINK IN TERMS OF THIS ISSUE AND I THINK IN TERMS OF MAKING A LOT OF THE DECISIONS THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE FOR THE CITY ON BEHALF OF ITS CITIZENRY, IS THAT IT IS A CONSTANT BALANCE, THAT IT REQUIRES THE THOUGHTFULNESS OF ALL OF YOU THAT ARE STICKING WITH US 10 MINUTES TO 10 O'CLOCK TONIGHT, WHO CAME OUT IN FEBRUARY AS WELL, WHO WROTE, WHO CALLED, WHO DID ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
IT IS A CONSTANT BALANCE OF TRYING TO BALANCE THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY WITH THE NEEDS OF THE INDIVIDUAL AND MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE HOPEFULLY STRIKING A PLACE WHERE ALL MY DAYS AS AN ATTORNEY THAT MEDIATED CASES, NOBODY GOES AWAY HAPPY.
THAT'S THE UNFORTUNATE TRUTH, IS THAT WHEN YOU GET TO A PLACE WHERE NOBODY IS HAPPY, THEN YOU'VE PROBABLY HIT THE RIGHT PLACE.
I THINK THAT IN MY CONVERSATIONS WITH ACTING CHIEF AND WITH SOME OF THE OTHER POLICE OFFICERS REGARDING THE PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION BECAUSE I KNOW THAT HAS BEEN A HUGE POINT OF CONTENTION, WHEN WE VOTED ON THIS IN FEBRUARY, I SAID YES TO PSYCH EVALS ACROSS THE BOARD.
IN TRYING TO BALANCE THE IDEA OF COST TO INDIVIDUALS WHO WISH TO BE ABLE TO CARRY AND CONCEAL AND THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE SAFETY, THEN WE HAD TO EVALUATE, DO I TRUST THAT WHAT THE INFORMATION THAT IS GOING TO BE PROVIDED TO THE CHIEF OR WHOEVER IS ACTING IN HER STEAD TO MAKE AN OBJECTIVE DECISION ABOUT WHO MUST HAVE A PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION? I HAD TO FEEL COMFORTABLE IN THAT, IN KNOWING THAT THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE ARBITRARY, IT ISN'T GOING TO BE BASED ON, HEY, I KNOW YOU YOU'RE MY FRIEND, I LIKE YOU SO, YOU DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT A PSYCH EVAL.
THAT'S NOT HOW THIS IS GOING DOWN.
THOSE OF YOU THAT KNOW ME, I'M NOT LOOKING FOR US TO BE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE A SCHOOL SHOOTING OR SOMETHING GOD AWFUL HAPPEN WHERE WE HAVE TO HAVE A CANDLELIGHT VIGIL WITH THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS, I DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE ARE LISTENING, WE HAVE BEEN LISTENING, AND WE'RE DOING THE BEST THAT WE CAN TO COME TO A REASONED CONCLUSION.
I HAVE TO TRUST IN WHAT OUR SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS ARE TELLING US IN TERMS OF WHAT MYCCW WILL PROVIDE TO THE CHIEF OR WHOEVER IS ACTING IN HER STEAD, TO MAKE THE CORRECT DECISION WITH RESPECT TO WHO NEEDS TO PERFORM A PSYCH EVAL.
I THINK IT'S ALSO KEY TO NOTE THAT THE POINT THAT THE CHIEF MADE EARLIER ABOUT THE RIGHT TO OWN A GUN, THE RIGHT TO HAVE A GUN IS SEPARATE AND DISTINCT FROM A PERSONAL LICENSE TO BE ABLE TO CARRY THE GUN WHEREVER YOU WANT.
I WANT PEOPLE TO BE AWARE OF THAT, YOU'RE STILL ALLOWED TO HAVE YOUR GUN.
THE QUESTION HERE IS HOW DO WE BALANCE THE CONCERNS OF THE COMMUNITY WITH THE CONCERNS OF THE INDIVIDUALS WHO WANT TO BE ABLE TO BE RESPONSIBLE.
I'VE TALKED TO SOME OF YOU WHO, LIKE MS. GALVEDON SAID, HAS BEEN SHOOTING SINCE SHE WAS A SMALL CHILD.
THERE ARE PROBABLY PEOPLE THAT I WOULD TRUST MORE THAN OTHERS BASED ON THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I'VE HAD WITH THEM AND THEIR KNOWLEDGE AROUND HANDLING SOMETHING THAT CAN KILL SOMEONE.
I DIDN'T GROW UP IN A HOUSEHOLD WITH GUNS.
BUT I'M NOT HERE TO TAKE AWAY YOUR RIGHT TO DO THAT IF THAT'S HOW YOU GREW UP IF YOU HUNT, IF YOU DO WHATEVER.
BUT I DO NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE.
LIKE I SAID, I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT WE TAKE LIGHTLY.
WE WOULDN'T BE HERE THIS LATE AT NIGHT.
WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD THE ENDLESS CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH RESIDENTS.
ALL I CAN PROMISE FROM THIS POINT FORWARD IS ON OTHER ISSUES OF IMPORT.
WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO BE MORE ON THE FOREFRONT OF THINGS RATHER THAN DOING THIS.
WE VOTE ONCE AND THEN WE COME BACK AND WE VOTE AGAIN.
>> THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER LAU. COUNCIL MEMBER KASH.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU REST OF MY TEAM, COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE.
WE'VE HAD THIS ISSUE THAT BROUGHT TO US A WHILE BACK AND I DO AGREE.
I AGREE WITH THEN, I AGREE WITH NOW.
I'M JUST STUCK IN A CHAIN, ALMOST LIKE A ROCK IN A HARD PLACE.
I AM MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE A PATRIOT.
I NEVER WANTED TO THINK YOU'RE RIGHT TO CARRY A FIREARM THAT MANY MEN AND WOMEN IN THIS COUNTRY HAVE FOUGHT FOR.
WHAT I WAS STUCK IN IS, HOW DO I MAKE IT AFFORDABLE FOR YOU? I HATE FEES AND I HATE TAXES.
I PROBABLY GET AUDITED SOON, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
[LAUGHTER] IT WON'T BE THE FIRST TIME.
YOU GOT TO CHARGE A FEE FOR EVERYTHING.
I WANT TO MAKE IT AFFORDABLE TO YOU.
ONE WAY FOR ME THAT I THOUGHT IT WAS BEING ABLE TO IS TO REMOVE THAT.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO REMOVE THAT OPPORTUNITY FROM THE CHIEF OR POLICE TO MAKE INFORMED DECISION.
I'VE BEEN IN LAW ENFORCEMENT LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT WE'RE ALWAYS BEEN TOLD YOU CARRY MULTIPLE HATS, YOU'RE A SOCIAL WORKER, YOU'RE A DOCTOR, YOU'RE A POLICE OFFICER,
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YOU'RE ALL THESE DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS.IT WAS HARD BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE FACED WITH THE DECISION TO MAKE TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY.
I UNDERSTAND AND COUNCIL MEMBER LAU MENTIONED IT, SPEAKING WITH THE ACTING CHIEF, SAM GONZALEZ, WHO I'VE KNOWN FOR MANY YEARS WHEN HE ACTUALLY HAD HAIR. THAT'S NOT A STORY.
IT'S OKAY. IT'S A GREAT TIME. GOT A GOOD MAN.
LISTEN, IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO TALK AND HAVE THIS.
I WENT THROUGH WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.
BUT LET'S GIVE THEM THAT OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THAT INFORMED DECISION.
LET'S BASE THAT ON THOSE THAT HAVE EXPERIENCE IN DEALING WITH MENTAL HEALTH.
>> THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER KASH.
I WANT TO PERSONALLY THANK ACTING CHIEF GONZALEZ, ACTING CAPTAIN DRANSFELDT, AND SERGEANT WEINREB, ALSO OUR CITY STAFF, MR. DUMBER.
AS COUNSEL MEMBER LAU, THEY'VE ALL STATED THIS CAME UPON US.
WE HAD A CHIEF OF POLICE THAT FELL ILL AND THIS WAS ALL PART OF THIS TIMEFRAME WHEN WE PROBABLY WOULD HAD HAVE IT OUT UNTIL COULD HAVE IT VETTED OUT WITH THE PUBLIC TO GO OVER THIS ITEM.
UNFORTUNATELY, THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
MOVING FORWARD, WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT ANY BIG ITEM ON THIS, ANY ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE DISCUSSED IS DISCUSSED BEFORE THE RESIDENTS TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION FOR ALL OF US.
WE ALL DO LISTEN. WE'VE HAD COUNTLESS EMAILS ON THIS, COUNTLESS.
I PRIDE MYSELF ON READING ALL OF THEM AND RESPONDING TO ALL OF THEM.
YOU MAY NOT LIKE MY RESPONSE, BUT I DO RESPOND.
I HONESTLY THINK RIGHT NOW THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS TO I MIGHT UNDERSTAND THE CCW PEOPLE'S POINT OF VIEW, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND [NOISE] THE RESIDENTS.
I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE FAMILIES WITH KIDS.
A LOT OF STEPS GOING ON IN THIS COUNTRY RIGHT NOW AND IT'S NOT GOOD.
I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING RIGHT NOW IS TO BE SAFE, CAUTIOUS, PROTECT OUR CHILDREN, PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS, AND ALSO PROTECT OUR EMPLOYEES.
I THINK THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.
COST, YES, IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE EGREGIOUS.
THEY DID ALREADY DROP IT DOWN TO A MUCH BETTER LEVEL.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE NOT INCLUDING THE PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM.
MY PERSONAL OPINION IS I DON T THINK THAT THE CHIEF OF POLICE SHOULD BE DOING PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAMS BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THEIR FORTE.
THEY'VE GOT PLENTY OTHER THINGS TO DO.
HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS IS A CHEAP PRICE TO PAY FOR AT LEAST TO VET IT OUT PROPERLY.
THE PERSON THAT IS GETTING THAT CCW IS QUANTIFIED AND BONIFIED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT.
NOT TO SAY THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO GO WRONG.
THERE'S ALWAYS INSTANCES WHERE IT DOES GO WRONG.
BUT BEING THAT SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AN ALTERNATE MOTION.
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THIS RIGHT NOW FOR AN ALTERNATE MOTION TO INCLUDE THE $150 AND THE $786 FEE. COUNCIL, WHAT CAN WE DO?
>> THERE'S NO MOTION, THIS IS JUST A RECOMMENDATION?
>> MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL, IF YOU APPROVE THE FEE RESOLUTION, IT WILL AMEND THE PREVIOUS ONE.
IT'LL REDUCE THE 150 ADMINISTRATIVE FEE DOWN TO $100.
>> I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT. I WANT WHAT THE NEW RESOLUTION IS THE NEW CHANGE IS TO ADD THE $150 ON TO THAT FOR THE PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM BECAUSE IT WAS REMOVED.
>> WELL, AND AGAIN, THAT'S NOT A FEE TO THE CITY, THAT'S A FEE TO A THIRD PARTY.
IF YOU JUST PASS THE RESOLUTION THEN THE PSYCHOLOGICAL CAN STAY, WE WOULD NEED DIRECTION TO REMOVE THE PSYCHOLOGICAL BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE POLICY RIGHT NOW IS TO REQUIRE A PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM WHICH GOES TO A THIRD PARTY.
IF YOU JUST PASS THE RESOLUTION, THE PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM IS STILL A REQUIREMENT TO GO THROUGH THE CCW PERMIT PROCESS.
>> BUT THAT'S NOT PART OF THE $786 RIGHT NOW.
>> NO, THAT WAS MENTIONED IN THERE AS, BUT THEN THERE IS ALTERNATIVE THAT YOU SAW WHICH WAS THE 936 IF MY MOUTH IS RIGHT.
>> LET ME TRY TO SEE IF I CAN CLARIFY.
ARE YOU ASKING IN AN ALTERNATE RESOLUTION THAT EVERYBODY BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM OR ARE YOU BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE WAY I'M UNDERSTANDING IT IS THAT THIS NEW RESOLUTION IN THE 786.
>> DOESN'T HAVE IT. UNLESS IT IS.
HE'S THE ONLY ONE THAT'S GOING TO DO THAT IS GOING TO RECOMMEND A PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAMINER WITH $150.
>> I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M NOT MISUNDERSTANDING.
IT IS NOT JUST ON THE POLICE CHIEF TO SAY THAT A PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM IS NEEDED, IT IS BASED ON THE OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE PRODUCED THROUGH THE BACKGROUND CHECK BY MYCCW.
LOOKING AT THE OBJECTIVE INFORMATION OBTAINED THROUGH THE BACKGROUND CHECK, THERE'S GOING TO BE ITEMS IN THERE LIKE ACTING CHIEF GONZALEZ SAID,
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HE'S NOT GOING TO GIVE AWAY WHAT THOSE POTENTIAL RED FLAGS MIGHT BE AS A CHEAT SHEET.BUT IF THOSE EXIST, THEN THE CHIEF WOULD SAY, YOU NEED TO GO GET A PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM, WHICH IT WOULD NOT BE CONDUCTED BY THE CHIEF, BUT WOULD BE CONDUCTED BY THE PARTNER, THE COUNSELING TEAM.
IT WOULD BE DONE BY A PSYCHOLOGIST, NOT BY THE CHIEF.
>> BUT THE CHIEF HAS THE ULTIMATE DECISION ON THAT.
IF WE HAVE EVERYONE DOING A PSYCHOLOGICAL TEST AS PART OF THE $936, THE CHIEF DOES NOT HAVE A SAY ON THAT.
>> HE IS ALREADY PART OF OUR CCW APPLICATION. THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR.
>> LET ME CLARIFY. THE RESOLUTION CHANGES THE FEES THAT THE CITY RECEIVES BECAUSE OUR FEE RESOLUTION ONLY COVERS THE FEES THAT WE CHARGE, NOT THE OUTSIDE VENDORS.
>> IF YOU APPROVE THE RESOLUTION AND DIRECT US TO CONTINUE WITH OUR EXISTING POLICY, THAT WOULD MEAN EVERYBODY HAS THE PSYCH EXAM.
IF YOU APPROVE THE RESOLUTION AND DIRECT US TO ONLY HAVE PSYCH EXAMS AT THE DISCRETION OF THE POLICE CHIEF BASED UPON THE OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE.
THAT'S A DIFFERENT. BUT EITHER WAY, THE RESOLUTION REDUCES THE FEES, BUT IT DOES NOT CONTROL THE PSYCH EXAM.
>> I'M SORRY, ON PAGE 133, IT SAYS RE-EVALUATION OF PERMIT FEES, REDUCTION OF CITY ADMINISTRATIVE FEE FROM 150-100.
ELIMINATION OF THE $20 CCW PERMIT, AND CHANGE THE REQUIREMENT OF PSYCHOLOGICAL TESTING AND PAYMENT OF 150 FIREARM SAFETY TRAINING VENDORS OFFERING REDUCED RATE OF 175?
>> THAT'S IN THE STAFF REPORT.
BUT THE ACTUAL RESOLUTION PROVIDED TO YOU DOES NOT ADDRESS THAT ISSUE.
>> DOES NOT NOT ADDRESS, IT'S PSYCHOLOGICAL.
>> THE RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT YOU COULD CHOOSE ONE OF THOSE.
>> AGAIN, THE RESOLUTION IS ONLY BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE FEES WE CONTROL.
>> I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT. WHAT I'M SAYING IS I WANT TO HAVE IN THE CCW, A PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM IS REQUIRED. PERIOD.
>> THE APPROPRIATE MOTION REMOVE TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION, AND IF YOU WANT US TO READ THE TITLE AND TO KEEP THE EXISTING REQUIREMENTS FOR A PSYCH EXAM?
I'M NOT TRYING TO BE A PAIN IN THE ASS, BUT I PROBABLY I'M GOING TO BE RIGHT NOW.
>> PLEASE, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ON THE RIGHT THING.
>> BECAUSE THE WAY I'M READING THE STAFF REPORT THEN SAYS ONE THING, AND THE RESOLUTION SAYS SOMETHING ELSE.
>> THAT'S SAYING THAT'S THE CONCERN I HAVE BECAUSE THE WAY THAT THE STAFF REPORT INDICATES AS IF THE RESOLUTION WAS GOING TO REMOVE THE NEED FOR A PSYCH EXAM ACROSS THE BOARD AND ONLY ALLOW PSYCH EXAMS AT A DISCRETIONARY LEVEL.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE RESOLUTION, THEN IF THE ONLY THING THAT THE RESOLUTION ITSELF CHANGES IS OUR FEES THEN EQUIPPED CONTRADICTS.
>> WELL, I THINK THE STAFF REPORT WAS TO PROVIDE OPTIONS AND INFORMATION FOR ALL OF THOSE ITEMS. THE RESOLUTION IS JUST FOR OUR FEES BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY THING WE CONTROL.
THE STAFF REPORT WAS WRITTEN SO THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD UNDERSTAND WHAT THE COST COULD BE IF THE PSYCHOLOGICAL WAS TAKEN OUT.
THEN IN THE STAFF PRESENTATION, YOU ALSO SAW THE COST IF IT WERE TO STAY IN AND BE MODIFIED FROM THE ORIGINAL 1081, WHICH WAS THE HIGHER ADMIN FEE, THE CARD FEE, AND ALL THAT.
>> I'M GOING TO READ THE LAST LINE OF THE PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAMINATIONS ON PAGE 133.
ACCORDINGLY, THE NEED FOR A PSYCHOLOGICAL ASSESSMENT FOR APPLICANTS WILL REMAIN DISCRETIONARY AS PART OF THE PERMIT PROCESS?
>> NO. THAT IS HOW IT READS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS WAS A FLUID ISSUE AND THE COUNCIL BASED ON PUBLIC COMMENT AND COMMENT UP TO THE TIME THAT THIS MEETING WAS IN SESSION, COULD RECEIVE ADDITIONAL PUBLIC INPUT, MAKE DIFFERENT DECISIONS, BUT YOU WOULD COME HERE AT THIS HEARING, GET ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
AGAIN, SO THAT WAS THE DIRECTION WE WERE GOING BASED ON THE INFORMATION AND THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
BUT KNOWING THAT THIS MEETING WOULD ULTIMATELY BE THE DECISION FACTOR OF THE COUNCIL
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PROVIDING DIRECTION TO EITHER STAY WITH A PSYCHOLOGICAL OR GET RID OF THE PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM, AND THEN THAT'S THE FEE THAT WOULD BE CHARGED.THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION IN THE BODY OF THE STAFF REPORT, BUT BASED ON ULTIMATELY COMING HERE AND HAVING THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> I CAN BE OKAY WITH THAT TO SOME EXTENT.
BUT THEN THAT RAISES BACK TO THE QUESTION OF THEN WHAT IS THE APPROPRIATE MOTION.
IF THE MAYOR IS SEEKING TO MOVE FORWARD EMOTION THAT AMENDS THE RESOLUTION, THEN IT WOULDN'T BE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER, WHATEVER NUMBER IT IS.
>> YOU WOULDN'T NEED TO AMEND THE RESOLUTION, UNLESS YOU WANTED TO GET RID OF THE ADMIN FEE ALL THE WAY, INSTEAD OF REDUCING IT FROM 150-100.
THE DIRECTION WOULD BE TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION, WHICH AGAIN, IT REDUCES THE ADMIN FEE FROM 150-100.
>> IT DOESN'T DRESS THE CARD REPLACEMENT FEE, AND IT CORRECTS THE RENEWAL FEE.
BUT THERE WERE DEEMED TO BE SEPARATE DIRECTION REGARDLESS ABOUT THE PSYCHOLOGICAL.
DO WE MAKE IT NOT DISCRETIONARY BUT SUBJECT TO THE OBJECTIVE STANDARDS FOUND THROUGH THE BACKGROUND CHECK? THEN THE CHIEF OF POLICE COULD SAY, YES, THIS APPLICANT NEEDS A PSYCHOLOGICAL TEST OR IS IT BLANKET AS PART OF THE CCW PROCESS? IT IS REQUIRED FOR ALL APPLICANTS.
>> IF WE TAKE IT IN PIECES THEN, IF WE'RE OKAY WITH JUST THE REJECTION OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE FEE AND THE CARD REPLACEMENT FEE AND CORRECTING THE RENEWAL FEE, WE CAN DEAL WITH THAT RIGHT NOW.
>> WE CAN DO THE RESOLUTION NOW.
>> THEN YOU CAN DECIDE ON HOW YOU WANT TO DO THE PSYCHOLOGICAL.
THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE EASIER TO DO IT PIECEMEAL LIKE THAT.
>> WE WENT THROUGH THIS. WE GOOD?
>> WE GOING TO STICK WITH THE RESOLUTION AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS AFTERWARDS.
>> WELL ON A PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAMINATION REQUIREMENT.
>> WE'LL NEED A MOTION FOR THAT THOUGH TO PUT THAT IN. IS THAT CORRECT? THE INITIAL ONE HAD IT IN THERE.
NOW WE REMOVED IT ON THE NEW RESOLUTION.
>> NO AGAIN REMEMBER THE INITIAL WAS ALSO JUST A FEE RESOLUTION.
THE POLICY PUT FORWARD BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT I GOT WAS TO HAVE THE PSYCHOLOGICAL.
>> I'M FOLLOWING IT. WITH THAT, WE NEED A MOTION FOR THIS RESOLUTION. DO I HAVE A MOTION?
>> I'M SORRY, TO MAKE IT CRYSTAL UNCLEAR.
[LAUGHTER] THIS MOTION AGAIN IS NOT FOR OR AGAINST THE CYCLE, IT'S ONLY FOR OUR FEES RIGHT NOW.
THEN WE WILL DO A SEPARATE MOTION ON THE PSYCHOLOGICAL.
>> THANK YOU. NOW, I WOULD LIKE TO DIRECT STAFF THAT THE PSYCHOLOGICAL $150 FEE FOR THE PSYCHOLOGICAL TEST TO BEING PART OF IT. [OVERLAPPING].
>> EVERYBODY HAS A PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM.
>> I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY IS, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY THAT YOU WANT TO DIRECT STAFF TO CHANGE THE POLICY OR I GUESS MAINTAIN THE POLICY WHICH REQUIRES A PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM FOR EVERY APPLICANT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> FOR ALL APPLICANTS. YES, THANK YOU.
>> CORRECT [BACKGROUND] THAT'S CLEAR?
>> WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT. IS THAT CORRECT, OR WE HAVE DISCUSSION?
>> I'LL SECOND IT. THERE YOU GO.
>> WE'RE VOTING FOR THE PSYCHOLOGICAL [OVERLAPPING] JUST $150.
>> THE MOTION IS TO DIRECT STAFF TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING POLICY TO REQUIRE ALL CCW APPLICANTS TO HAVE THE PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM?
>> BEFORE WE VOTE, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE DISCUSSION BEFORE THE VOTE, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT YOUR MOTION, YOU'VE GOT YOUR SECOND, SO IT'S A LIVE MOTION.
>> AS STATED EARLIER TONIGHT, I BELIEVE THAT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF OUR BACKGROUND CHECKS,
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THEN OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT THEN CAN OBJECTIVELY VIEW THOSE WHO NEED THE PSYCHOLOGICAL TESTS AND THOSE WHO DO NOT REQUIRE THAT, WHICH WOULD BE A MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE.I BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE THAT COME AND GET CCWS ARE OUR HONEST RESIDENTS, AND OUR RESIDENTS IN LA VERNE THAT I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN OBJECTIVELY CHOOSE FOR THE PSYCHOLOGICAL TESTS.
THOSE THAT DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE BURDENSOME WITH THAT EXTRA COST TO OUR CITY AND TO THE RESIDENTS, BECAUSE IT'S A DOUBLE COST.
IT'S NOT JUST A COST, 150 TO THE RESIDENT, IT'S ALSO A COST TO OUR CITY AS WELL, WHERE THE PEOPLE AROUND US DON'T HAVE THAT BURDEN.
THEY'RE STILL IN OUR CITIES AND COMING TO OUR TOWN.
I BELIEVE IN OUR LA VERNE PD AND OUR RESIDENTS TO BE TREATED AS AS OTHERS ARE CHEATED IN LA COUNTY OR SAN BERNARDINO COUNTY THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO US, OR RIVERSIDE COUNTY THAT'S ONLY A STONE'S THROW AWAY FROM US AS WELL.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM CROSBY. COUNCIL MEMBER LAU.
>> I THINK I'VE MADE MY POINTS ABOUT THIS AND I'VE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION THE CONCERNS.
I THINK THAT BASED ON WHAT I WAS ABLE TO ELICIT FROM OUR CHIEF AND FROM OUR DISCUSSIONS IS THAT I THINK THE BACKGROUND CHECK THAT MYCCW IS GOING TO CONDUCT WILL BE THOROUGH ENOUGH TO INDICATE WHO WILL OR WON'T NEED A PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE I HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS TOO, IN TERMS OF WHEN WE'RE DOING THIS BALANCING ACT, OF WHAT THE NEEDS ARE OF THE COMMUNITY AND OF THE INDIVIDUALS.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER. COUNCIL MEMBER KASH.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I SHARE SAME SENTIMENTS.
I JUST WANT TO GET THIS PROCESS UP AND MOVING SO PEOPLE COULD EXERCISE THEIR RIGHT, IF YOU WANT TO CARRY A WEAPON.
THIS IS THE STANDARD. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I WILL NEVER CHANGE FROM THE STANDARDS THAT WE ARE.
ANYHOW, GOOD LUCK AND STAY STRONG.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER KASH.
WE ARE LA VERNE, WE ARE NOT GLENDORA, WE'RE NOT LOS ANGELES COUNTY, WE'RE NOT SAN BERNARDINO COUNTY.
WE ARE LA VERNE, AND WE HAVE A HIGHER STANDARD, AND THAT'S WHERE WE KEEP OUR CITY SAFE.
I THINK THIS IS JUST ONE MORE THING TO KEEP OURSELVES SAFE, KEEP OUR CHILDREN SAFE, OUR EMPLOYEES SAFE, AND OUR RESIDENTS SAFE.
I FIRMLY BELIEVE THIS $150 PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM TESTING IS IMPORTANT.
IT TAKES THE GUESSWORK OUT OF OUR CHIEF OF POLICE AND STAFF TO DO EXTRA WORK, WHEN WE HAVE THEM DO THAT, GIVE US THE REPORT AND WE MAKE OUR DECISION. YOU WANT TO TALK AGAIN?
>> I'D LIKE TO HEAR ACTUALLY FROM ACTING CHIEF.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE YOUR THOUGHTS ARE ON THIS, BECAUSE I CAN SEE BOTH SIDES AND I'M TRYING TO BE COGNIZANT OF THIS BALANCE, I THINK IN A PERFECT WORLD, IF WE HAD THE COFFERS FOR IT.
I'M NOT AGAINST MR. GALVEDON'S RECOMMENDATION THAT WE JUST PAY FOR IT ALL.
THE PROBLEM IS WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY FOR IT ALL.
BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR YOUR POINT OF VIEW IN TERMS OF A UNIVERSAL REQUIREMENT FOR THE PSYCH EXAM.
>> MY OPINION IS THAT WE ALLOW THE POLICY TO STAND AS IS AND HAVE A REQUIREMENT.
>> I'M SORRY, I MISSED THE FIRST PART. CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN?
>> YES. MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO ALLOW THE POLICY TO REMAIN IN PLACE AND HAVE THAT REQUIREMENT FOR ALL.
>> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION ON THAT.
>> CAN WE RESTATE THE MOTION SO WE'RE ALL CLEAR ON WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON?
> YES. THE MOTION IS TO DIRECT STAFF TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING POLICY, REQUIRING ALL CCW APPLICANTS TO HAVE A PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM AUTHORIZED BY THE STATE [BACKGROUND].
>> I CAN'T REMEMBER [LAUGHTER] WHICH WAY.
>> [OVERLAPPING] LEFT IS YES, RIGHT IS NO [OVERLAPPING]
>> CROSBY, YOU ARE VOTING. READY? VOTE PLEASE.
>> THAT MOTION CARRIES 3-1 WITH CROSBY DISSENTING.
>> THANK YOU, EVERYONE. JUST LET YOU ALL KNOW
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[APPLAUSE] THIS ISN'T MY LONGEST MEETING [LAUGHTER] WE'VE HAD PLENTY OF LONG MEETINGS.I CAN HANG WITH THE BEST OF YOU, SO I REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, ALL THE E-MAILS, YOUR COMMENTS.
WE'RE NOT LEAVING YET. WE STILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
YEAH, WE NEED A THREE-MINUTE BREAK FOR SOME BUSINESS TO ATTEND TO [BACKGROUND].
WE'RE GOING TO BRING THIS MEETING BACK TO ORDER AT 10:24.
[PUBLIC COMMENTS/ORAL COMMUNICATIONS]
NOW WE MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENTS AND ORAL COMMUNICATIONS.DO WE HAVE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT? I DO HAVE SOME CARDS HERE.
>> HE SHOULD GO FIRST, THIS GENTLEMAN HAS BEEN WAITING ALL NIGHT.
>> THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY SOMETHING HERE.
WAYNE PERRY, 4744 ESPERANZA IN LA VERNE.
FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY, I FEEL A LITTLE BIT SILLY ABOUT BRINGING THESE THINGS UP NOW THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH ALL THIS HEAVY STUFF.
BUT I'M GOING TO HAVE MY SAY ANYWAY BECAUSE THEY SPENT TOO MUCH TIME THINKING ABOUT THIS.
SO MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL AND STAFF, I'M GOING TO TITLE MY COMMENTS TONIGHT AS A VIEW FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROOM.
MOSTLY A GENTLE CRITICISM EXCUSE ME.
FIRST OF ALL, I HAD THREE POINTS THAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT, BUT I'VE SINCE AMENDED THOSE TO FOUR AND I'LL EXPLAIN THAT IN A SECOND.
MR. MAYOR PRIVILEGE, YOU SAID THAT YOU WERE AT I'M PARAPHRASING HERE, THAT YOU SAID THAT IF SOMEBODY HAD ALREADY VOICED THAT OPINION ON A SUBJECT BEFORE THE COUNCIL, IT DIDN'T REALLY REPEATING.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT APPLY TO THIS COUNCIL AND I'M REFERENCING WHAT HAPPENED LAST COUNCIL MEETING.
THAT WAS WHEN YOU SPEND AN AWFUL LOT OF TIME APPRECIATING CITY FINANCE DIRECTOR LOPEZ.
SHE WAS THANKED FOR DOING HER JOB BY AT LEAST THREE MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL, AND MR. DOMER TOO.
THE WORD APPRECIATE WAS USED AT LEAST 20-25 TIMES, ALTHOUGH IT SEEMED TO BE AN AWFUL LOT MORE.
THAT MEETING COULD DEFINITELY HAVE BEEN SHORTENED BY FEW MINUTES IF THE BODY HAD EDIT ITSELF WHEN IT COMES TO THINKING AND APPRECIATING CITY EMPLOYEES. THAT WAS MY FIRST POINT.
SECOND POINT, I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT THIS BODY WAS BEING COWARDLY BY NOT PUTTING FORWARD THE CCW ISSUE BACK ON THE AGENDA.
OBVIOUSLY, MY POINT IS MOOT NOW, SO THAT'S THE END OF THAT.
THE THIRD ITEM WAS SPEAKING ON A MORE POSITIVE NOTE.
THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, FOR THE INSTAGRAM POSTS TITLED MINUTE WITH A MIRROR.
I FIND THEM INFORMATIVE AND A WELCOME SOURCE OF CITY INFORMATION, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
MY FOURTH WAS, AND THIS WAS ADDED TO THE LAST MINUTE BECAUSE I SAW THE CITY MANAGERS NEWSLETTER COME OUT RIGHT AS I WAS LEAVING MY HOUSE.
I NOTICED THAT THERE WAS NO MENTION OF THE CCW ISSUE AS AN ITEM FOR THE CITY NEWS.
SO I LOOKED BACK AT THE LAST ALL THE WAY BACK TO JANUARY.
AS FAR AS I KNOW, THERE WAS NO MENTION OF CCW, PLENTY AFFAIRS, PLENTY EGG HUNTS, PLENTY OF TEAM SPORTS, ALL THE GOOD THINGS.
BUT AN ITEM THAT I THINK WAS IMPORTANT AND THAT'S WHY I'M HERE, WAS THE CCW ITEM, AND THERE WAS NO MENTION OF IT.
I'M WONDERING MR. DOMER IF YOU HAD SOME PREJUDICE AGAINST THIS ISSUE BECAUSE IT NEVER SHOWED UP, I ASSUME YOU ARE THE EDITOR OF IT.
CITY STAFF MAY WRITE MOST OF IT, BUT I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE THE EDITING PART AS PART OF YOUR DUTIES.
I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF THERE WAS A PREJUDICE AGAINST THAT, AND IF WE'RE GOING TO INCLUDE ALL THESE OTHER ITEMS WITHIN THE CITY NEWSLETTER, WHY WAS THIS LEFT OUT? THAT'S MY SAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. GALVEDON.
>> I GUESS I'LL START IT OFF WITH A BIT OF A FUNNY.
I WAS GOING TO PRESENT ON SOMETHING ELSE TONIGHT, BUT I THINK GIVEN WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, I'LL SAVE IT FOR ANOTHER MEETING.
I'M GOING TO START WITH COUNCIL MEMBER LAU.
I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU SAID BECAUSE IT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE ACTUALLY HEARD ANYBODY ON THE COUNCIL SAY THAT IN A WAY THAT I FELT RESONATED WITH PEOPLE.
BUT IT'S WHAT YOU SAID THAT WAS MOST IMPORTANT ABOUT IF YOU HAD ANTICIPATED THIS ISSUE AND PUT IT IN FRONT OF THE CITY IN A MORE PUBLIC AND TRANSPARENT WAY TO GIVE EVERYBODY THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE.
I KNOW THAT PEOPLE CAN MISS STUFF AND YOU TRY SOMETIMES TO PUT THINGS ON THE AGENDA.
BUT REALLY IT'S ON THE AGENDA AT THE LAST MINUTE.
AND IF YOU'RE NOT HERE TO THAT WEEKEND TO CATCH IT AND PREPARE, YOU'RE JUST NOT READY SOMETIMES SHOW UP.
BUT I THINK THAT IF THE CITY TOOK MORE TIME
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TO ANTICIPATE THESE VERY HOT BUTTON ISSUES IN THE COMMUNITY.A LOT OF THE INFORMATION AND THE REDUNDANCY OF THE THOUGHTS AND COMMENTS THAT HAS BEEN MENTIONED.
I MENTIONED IT TO LAST TIME ABOUT LIMITING PEOPLE TO BLESS YOU WOULD BE AVOIDED BECAUSE I THINK TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO GET A CONSTRUCTIVE THOUGHT OUT TO A PRODUCTIVE AND IN THREE MINUTES IS ASININE.
BECAUSE IF EVERYBODY HAD THE CHANCE TO SIT IN A ROOM AND HEAR SOMEBODY BRING IT UP, THEY'D KNOW IT GOT BROUGHT UP AND THEY WOULDN'T FEEL COMPELLED TO REPEAT THEMSELVES JUST TO VOICE THEIR OPINION THAT YOU KNEW THAT THE COMMUNITY CARED ABOUT THE ISSUE.
SO I REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK TO DO THAT MORE WITH THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THAT'S ACTUALLY AN OLIVE BRANCH.
ADDITIONALLY, I THINK MY HONEST OPINION, I THINK YOU MISSED THE MARK ON THIS ISSUE THIS EVENING FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE ROOT ISSUE WHICH WAS COST, I DON'T AGREE THAT COST SHOULD HAVE BEEN AN ISSUE AT ANY POINT ON THIS.
I KNOW THE CITY SPENDS A LOT OF MONEY ON DIFFERENT THINGS AND THIS WAS A CHOICE YOU HAD TO MAKE.
THIS ONE FOR WHATEVER REASON, WAS PUT UPON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO TRY TO COST ACCOUNT FOR THEIR EXPENDITURES SO THAT THEY'RE NOT PUTTING THE CITY IN A DEFICIT POSITION.
I THINK THAT WAS A MISSTEP ON YOUR PART.
I THINK THAT YOU SHOULDN'T PUT YOUR CITY STAFF OR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN A POSITION OF TRYING TO DEFEND WHAT IS OBVIOUS NECESSITY OR NEED, AND THEN PUT IT ON THE RESIDENTS TO FIGHT BACK BECAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE IT'S COMING OUT OF THEIR POCKETS AGAIN, WE ARE TAXPAYERS.
WE PAID THE PRICE TO FIRST GO ROUND.
WE PAID FOR EVERYBODY'S SALARY ON THIS DYESS.
WE PAID FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY, THE MANAGER, EVERYBODY FIRST.
WHEN YOU MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT WE SHOULD PAY FOR, AGAIN, PLEASE CONSIDER OUR OPINION IN THAT REGARD. THANK YOU.
>> FIRST, I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK PUBLIC WORKS.
THEY CAME AND FINALLY, AFTER SEVEN YEARS, CAME TO TRIM THE CITY TREE ON MY PROPERTY.
WE WERE VERY CONCERNED WITH THE DROUGHT AND THE ROOTS COME TO THE SURFACE AND THEN ALL OF THE RAIN WE HAD AND THE GROUND IS SATURATED.
IT WAS LEADING TOWARDS MY HOUSE, WHICH IS FACING MY PARENTS BEDROOM.
I DON'T NEED THAT FALLING ON THEIR HEADS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO ME I EVER MADE THAT HAPPEN FROM THE CITY.
SECONDLY, I LIKE TO ASK WHY OUR FLAG WAS NOT AT HALF-MAST FOR THE SHOOTING.
THE CHILDREN THAT WERE SHOT AND KILLED IN THE NASHVILLE SCHOOL SHOOTING.
THAT IS A TRAVESTY ANYTIME A CHILD HAS KILLED ANYWHERE IN THIS COUNTRY ARE FLAGS SHOULD REFLECT THAT IN HONOR OF THOSE PEOPLE LOST THEIR LIVES.
THIRD, I DIDN'T GET THE PRESENTER'S NAME OF THE AK&D PRESENTATION THE MIKE'S WEREN'T WORKING.
HE HAD A COMMENT THAT SAID THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS NOT DOING THEIR JOB.
SO WHY SHOULD THE BUTTON BE PLACED IN A SMALL CITY OF LA VERNE? WE ARE NOT A MAJOR MANUFACTURING CITY THAT OUTPUTS MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF SMOG FROM FACTORIES.
AND IT'S LIKE THE OLD DAYS, WE USED TO GO TO A RESTAURANT AND ASKING YOU, DO YOU WANT SMOKING OR NON-SMOKING SECTION, HOW DOES THE SMOKE NOTICE STAY IN THAT AREA? LA VERNE SPEND $1.2 BILLION TO ACCOMMODATE CDK AND THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
AND THE SMOG IS GOING TO COME FROM LA PUENTE AZUSA AND ALL THESE OTHER AREAS THAT HAVE MAJOR MANUFACTURING AND ALL OF THAT SMOG WILL COME AND BACKUP AGAINST THE FOOTHILLS HERE.
WHY IS THE ACIDITY FOR US TO ACCOMMODATE THAT? I THINK IT JUST GOES TO SHOW THAT THE CDK TEENAGERS TO ACQUIESCE THE STATE AND ARE VERY CLOSELY DICTATOR LIKE GOVERNOR.
WE NEED TO STOP THINKING ABOUT SPENDING THE MONEY ON TYPES OF PROJECTS THAT ARE ONLY GOING TO CONTRIBUTE TO FUTURE PROBLEMS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GO INTO ELECTRIC.
IT HAS BEEN DETERMINED BY EXPERTS THAT ARE GREAT, CANNOT SUSTAIN FULL ELECTRICITY.
WE WILL FORCE BROWNOUTS AND BLACKOUTS.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SWITCHING OVER PUBLIC WORK TRUCKS.
WELL THEN THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO TO CHOOSE OUT OF THE WAY AND THEY KNOCKED DOWN BECAUSE THEY CAN'T BE CHARGED BECAUSE THERE'S NO ELECTRICITY FOR IT.
GENERALLY ABOUT $17,000 PER CHARGING STATION DOWNTOWN.
THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE SO FAR OUT OF THE REALM OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA'S CAPACITY.
I DON'T THINK YOU GUYS HAVE REALLY STOPPED TO THINK ABOUT.
IS IT REALLY IMPORTANT? WE NEED TO WAIT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH OUR GRID, IF THE INFRASTRUCTURE CAN SUSTAIN IT AND IF THERE'S GOING TO BE ANY UPGRADES TO IT.
I RECENTLY SAW A MOVIE, A DOCUMENTARY.
IT TAKES 18 MONTHS TO BUILD ONE TRANSFORMER, AND THEY'RE NOT BUILT IN THE UNITED STATES.
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THE INCREASE OF CAPACITY IS NOT ANYTIME SOON.SADLY, THIS GIVES ME NO PLEASURE TO REPRIMAND THE COUNCIL, BUT IT JUST SEEMS THAT IT'S BECOME THE NORM.
COUNSELING TO ALLOW SAID, "WE'RE LEARNING AS WE GO ALONG." THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS NOTHING TO BE JOKED ABOUT AS COUNCIL MEMBER CASH WENT DOWN THAT ROAD.
THIS IS TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE'S LIVES FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT AND FROM A POTENTIAL FOR BEING SHOT AND KILLED.
THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN JUST FIGURE OUT AS YOU GO ALONG.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AND HANDLED MORE PROPERLY.
WE WENT TO DISTRICT VOTING BECAUSE WE WERE SO WORRIED ABOUT A LAWSUIT.
PREVIOUS CITY ATTORNEY CONFERRED THAT THERE WAS NO LETTER OF DEMAND FOR THE LAWSUIT, BUT THE CITY DECIDED TO GO THAT ROUTE ANYWAY.
YET YOU ARE SO QUICK TO PASS THIS TO A FEW STRUCTURE AND MOST CERTAINLY BRING ON A LAWSUIT.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE MENTALITY BEHIND THIS.
YOUR ACTIONS DON'T GO WITH WHAT YOU SAY AND IT'S VERY DISTURBING TO THE RESIDENTS.
I THINK TRANSPARENCY IS THE ONLY THING THAT'S GOING TO REALLY PROVIDE TRUST IN THE RESIDENCE FOR THE VOTES THAT WE GAVE TO YOU AS OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS AND REPRESENTING US.
BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF WE CAN'T TRUST YOU, THEN WHAT DO WE HAVE? THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, MS. BOCHAM. [APPLAUSE] ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK, PUBLIC COMMENT? MS. GALVEDON.
>> JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK THINGS TO FOLLOW UP.
ACTUALLY, TO BUILD ON WHAT SHE JUST SAID, THERE WAS A LOT OF FEAR MONGERING.
THE CALIFORNIA WATER RESOURCES WATER BOARD, WHOM I HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALL THE TIME, THEY HAVE A TENDENCY TO DO THAT A LOT.
BE VERY CAREFUL WITH WHAT HE'S SAYING.
THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY BEHIND THAT.
ALSO, IN BEING A SEISMIC ENGINEER, FIRST AND FOREMOST, ONE EARTHQUAKE IS THE GREAT EQUALIZER.
NONE OF THIS ELECTRIC STUFF IS GOING TO WORK.
TO THINK THAT OUR CITIES WHERE OUR FIRST RESPONDERS THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED ALL THE EQUIPMENT ALL THE TIME AND WE'RE GOING TO NEED GAS IN ORDER TO RUN THEM BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE NO POWER FOR, IT COULD BE THREE MONTHS BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW.
NOBODY REALLY KNOWS WHAT THE ACTUAL FACTS.
EDISON DOES NOT HAVE THEIR ACT TOGETHER.
IF YOU GUYS THINK EDISON HAS HER ACT TOGETHER, YOU ARE SOLELY MISINFORMED.
THAT IS SOMETHING VERY CRUCIAL TO THINK ABOUT.
THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY BECAUSE THE ABSOLUTE MISTRUST AND THE FEAR MONGERING THAT'S GOING ON IN THIS COUNTRY IS STAGGERING.
LIKE I SAID MANY TIMES, COMING FROM A FAMILY WHO WAS PART OF A NIGHT OF GLASS WHERE THEY WOULD WALK AROUND AND THEY BROKE ALL THE WINDOWS, IT'S HORRIBLE.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE.
YOU'RE ACTUALLY LABELING PEOPLE AUTOMATICALLY.
I DON'T KNOW, IT'S JUST TERRIBLE.
IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT NIGHT OF GLASS IS, YOU SHOULD LOOK IT UP, IT HAPPENED IN GERMANY.
ALSO FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE AIR STUFF, IT BETTER BE US MADE BATTERIES BECAUSE AS WE ALL KNOW, MOST OF THE BATTERIES THAT ARE COMING TO THE US ARE MADE IN SOUTH AFRICA AND THERE IS DONE WITH SLAVES AND IT'S ALL OWNED BY CHINESE COMPANIES DOWN THERE, AND IT'S 98 PERCENT THROUGH SLAVE LABOR SO WE BETTER NOT HAVE ANY NON-US MADE BATTERIES.
THEN LASTLY, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR LA COUNTY JUST CHANGED THEIR SPEAKING REQUIREMENTS FOR MEETINGS.
IT'S NOW SIX MINUTES PER PERSON. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, MS. GALVEDON. [APPLAUSE] ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON PUBLIC COMMENT? ANNA ANDERSON.
>> I'M TIRED. ANNA ANDERSON, SLOAN DRIVE.
WELL, THIS WAS AN IINTERESTING MEETING, A WASTE OF TIME REALLY, BECAUSE NOW WE'RE ENDING UP WITH A POTENTIAL LAWSUIT. IS THAT RIGHT? AM I RIGHT? WE HAD AN ATTORNEY IN HERE AGAIN.
HOW MANY LAWSUITS HAVE WE BEEN THROUGH SINCE I'VE BEEN COMING HERE? IT'S QUITE A BIT.
SOMETIMES THE INSURANCE COMPANIES PAY FOR IT, BUT WE STILL HAVE A COST BEHIND THESE LAWSUITS.
THEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WELL, WE CAN'T DO THIS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY.
DO WE HAVE THE MONEY FOR A LAWSUIT? SERIOUSLY, DO WE? BECAUSE I'M LOOKING ON THE RISK THING OF CALIFORNIA OF CITIES. WE'RE NOT DOING SO GOOD.
I THINK WE SHOULD START TALKING ABOUT, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO TO GET OUR RISK FACTOR LOWER IN THE CITY.
WE'RE NOT AS BAD AS CLAREMONT,
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WE'RE NOT AS BAD AS RAMONA.BUT YOU KNOW, SAN DIMAS IS DOING GREAT.
WE'RE THE SAME SIZE CITY, AND SO IS GLENDORA.
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? BECAUSE THE LAWSUITS KILL US.
HOW MANY LAWSUITS HAVE WE HAD? QUITE A BIT.
I THINK IT WAS JUST WASTED TIME, WE ENDED UP WHERE WE WERE LAST TIME AND WE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF THE MONEY DOWN.
IT WAS A LONG MEETING FOR BASICALLY NOTHING.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR CITY MANAGER IF YOU LET HIM ANSWER ME.
THESE PROCLAMATIONS THAT WE'RE HAVING, WE'RE SURE HAVING A LOT OF THEM.
SOMETIMES THEY'RE JUST ON THE CALENDAR, IT'S A PROCLAMATION FOR THE WHOLE UNITED STATES, AND WE'RE GOING THROUGH.
NOW, THE ONE TONIGHT WASN'T BAD BECAUSE WE HAD SOMEBODY TALKING AND HE OFFERED SOMETHING TO THEM.
BUT SOME OF THESE PROCLAMATIONS ARE JUST, I DON'T KNOW.
I LOOKED ONLINE AND I NOTICED THAT CITIES AROUND US HAVE A SYSTEM TO GET A PROCLAMATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
I JUST WANTED TO KNOW FROM THE CITY MANAGER, DO WE HAVE A SYSTEM? WHO PRESENTS THESE THINGS? WHO'S THE AUTHOR OF THEM? WHY DO WE HAVE THEM? LIKE I SAID, SOME ARE OKAY.
WE PRESENTED SOMETHING TO ONE OF OUR CITIZENS, THAT'S GREAT.
BUT SOMETIMES THEY'RE JUST REDUNDANT, A LOT OF THESE THINGS, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY ON THE CALENDAR.
WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT JANUARY IS.
IT'S JUST LIKE LAST OCTOBER WAS AMERICAN ITALIAN MONTH.
I DIDN'T COME UP HERE AND SAY, I WANT A PROCLAMATION.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHO IS PRESENTING THESE PROCLAMATIONS, WHO'S THE AUTHOR BEHIND THEM, AND IF THERE IS A PROCEDURE? BECAUSE A LOT OF CITIES, IT ALMOST TAKES A MONTH TO GET THEM ON THE CALENDAR.
IT SEEMS LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S PUTTING THEM ON OR WHY WE'RE PUTTING THEM ON.
SOME ARE GOOD AND SOME ARE JUST REDUNDANT.
BECAUSE WE CAN LOOK ON THE CALENDAR AND KNOW WHAT MONTH IT IS. THAT'S IT.
>> THANK YOU, MS. ANDERSON. [APPLAUSE] ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SHOULD I GET MY PHONE OUT AGAIN FOR THOMAS?
>> I SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN UP DURING THAT FIVE-MINUTE BREAK BECAUSE I'M A LITTLE STIFF [LAUGHTER] SITTING A LONG TIME.
I'M GOING TO PIGGYBACK A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT ANNA SAID BECAUSE SOME OF THE PROCLAMATIONS ARE VERY PREDICTABLE.
I'D LIKE TO GET OUT OF THE BOX IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS THAT DON'T EVER GET MENTIONED.
YESTERDAY WAS WORLD AUTISM AWARENESS DAY.
THAT'S IMPACTING OUR CITY A LOT.
WE DON'T EVEN REALLY KNOW BIRTHS ARE NOW ONE IN 36.
STATISTICALLY, THERE'S A LOT IN OUR CITY THAT ARE AFFECTED BY THAT.
MY OWN DAUGHTER IS A YOUNG ADULT WITH AUTISM.
SHE'S BEEN AROUND A NUMBER OF DECADES NOW.
IN MY HISTORY, WITH MY FAMILY, MY PARENTS WERE FOSTER PARENTS FOR 40 YEARS.
THE LOS ANGELES BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAD A WHOLE PROCLAMATION PROCESS.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW REALLY MUCH ABOUT IT.
BUT THEY WERE GIVEN A PROCLAMATION AS THE MODEL FOSTER FAMILY FOR THE CITY OF LOS ANGELES WAY BACK WHEN I WAS JUNIOR HIGH.
THERE'S GOT TO BE SITUATIONS IN OUR CITY.
LET'S THINK OUTSIDE OF THE BOX.
LET'S LOOK FOR THOSE SITUATIONS THAT ARE NOT JUST, IT'S JANUARY, IT'S FEBRUARY.
WE EVEN HAVE NATIONAL PUPPY DAY.
[LAUGHTER] I JUST LIKE TO SEE IF THERE IS A PROCESS FOR IT AND HOW WE CAN GET SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE INSPIRATIONAL MAYBE.
MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE LIKE, WHERE DO WE SET THE MARK IN WHAT OUR COMMUNITY INCLUDES? TO GO REALLY IN A BROADER DIRECTION OR MAYBE JUST A BETTER ONE AND A BRIGHTER ONE.
>> THANK YOU MS. BARRY. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO PEAK? [APPLAUSE] WE HAVE THOMAS ALLISON ON THE LINE. I'M GOING TO TURN THAT ONE.
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>> DO YOU GUYS HEAR ME? ARE WE GOOD? I WANT TO ACTUALLY RECOGNIZE THE LEADERSHIP COUNCIL TONIGHT.
TONIGHT WAS NOT AN EASY DECISION.
BUT I THINK YOU GUYS HANDLED THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS WITH RACE.
NO MATTER WHAT SIDE OF THE ISSUE YOU WERE ON OR WHATEVER DECISION YOU MADE, HAVING GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS AND HEARING PEOPLE OUT AND THEN EXPRESSING YOUR OPINIONS, I THINK IS EXACTLY WHY THE FIRST AMENDMENT MATTERS AND IT'S WHY LA VERNE IS A SPECIAL PLACE TO BE.
IT WAS, IN FACT, AN ACT OF DEMOCRACY, AND THAT'S WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL WAS THERE TO DO. THANK YOU FOR THAT.
I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE STAFF FOR BALANCING A VERY CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE.
I THINK TAKING THE TIME TO APPRECIATE THEM AND THANKING THEM FOR THE HARD WORK THEY DO IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WHETHER WE BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IT IS THE EXTRAORDINARY MIRACLES THAT STAFF PULL OFF YEAR-ROUND THAT MAKE THIS CITY WHY PEOPLE WANT TO BE HERE, AND SO IT IS THE STAFF AND THE TIME THAT WE TAKE TO APPRECIATE THEM, TO KEEP THEIR MORALE UP, THAT I THINK MAKES THIS ALL WORK AND MAKES THIS CITY A PLACE THAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO LIVE.
I WANT TO LEAVE ON A POSITIVE NOTE THAT THIS WAS A GREAT ACT OF COMMUNITY, THIS WAS AN ACT OF DEMOCRACY, PEOPLE WERE COMPASSIONATE AND WE ENGAGED THE WAY THAT A COMMUNITY SHOULD. THANK YOU.
>> ANYONE ELSE SUPPOSED TO SPEAK ON PUBLIC COMMENT? WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND MOVE TO THE DAIS.
[COUNCIL COMMENTS AND CONFERENCE/MEETING REPORTS]
COUNCIL MEMBERS. COUNCILMEMBER OF CROSBY, MAYOR PRO TEM CROSBY.>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I DO WANT TO PROPOSE A PROCLAMATION THAT FOR THE NEXT SESSION [LAUGHTER].
I AM A LIBRARY COMMISSIONER FOR THE COUNTY. IT IS LIBRARY MONTH.
I WANT TO HONOR OUR PUBLIC LIBRARY THAT WE HAVE HERE IN LA VERNE AND WANT TO BRING THAT BACK NEXT TIME, WHICH THE CITY MANAGER SAID HE WOULD.
>> IT'S ON THE TENTATIVE FOR THE 17TH.
>> I ALSO THOUGH WANT BRING, CASH, YOU MENTIONED LAST TIME TWO STUDENTS BROTHERS FROM DAMIEN FOR WINNING THE NATIONAL DEBATE.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE BRING THEM BACK SOON TO HONOR THEM AS WELL.
THANK YOU, CASH, FOR BRINGING THAT. I THEN SAW IT IN THE PAPER RIGHT AFTERWARDS.
APRIL IS AUTISM MONTH AND I DO HAVE SOMEONE DEAR IN MY HEART, MY DAUGHTER, MIKAYLA.
THERE'S A GREAT SPORTS PROGRAM, IT'S CALLED AUTISM SPECTRUM ATHLETICS.
THEY TAKE KIDS FROM EVERYWHERE AROUND AND THEY DO GREAT THINGS FROM AGES 5-18 YEARS OLD.
THEY ARE IN BASEBALL SEASON RIGHT NOW.
YESTERDAY WAS THEIR FIRST PRACTICE GAME.
THEY HOLD THEIR GAMES IN, I BELIEVE IT'S COVINA.
IT'S RIGHT BY CHARTER OAK HIGH SCHOOL, IS WHERE THEY HOLD THEIR GAMES.
GREAT PROGRAM. THEN MY LAST IS, MR. DOMER, WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY AND WATERING AROUND US.
WHAT IS OUR WATER CONSUMPTION? DO WE HAVE RESTRICTIONS ANYMORE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? WE FINALLY WANT THAT BE SAID AND TOLD FOR OUR PEOPLE.
>> YES. THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM.
THE STATE, THE METROPOLITAN WATER DISTRICT, AND THREE VALLEYS HAVE ALL RESCINDED SOME OF THEIR PROGRAMS AND THEIR MANDATES FOR MANDATORY REDUCTIONS.
BUT EVERYBODY, INCLUDING THE CITY, IS STILL ENCOURAGING CONSERVATION BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE GET THROUGH.
THIS IS AN ANOMALY YEAR WITH ALL THE WATER THAT HAS BEEN DRENCHING US, 22 INCHES PLUS AND ALL THAT STUFF.
THE CITY IS NO LONGER IMPOSING ANY TYPE OF PENALTY SURCHARGE THAT WAS ALLOWED, AND SO THEREFORE, YOU CAN WATER MORE THAN ONE DAY A WEEK.
BUT WHAT WE ASK IS THAT, AND THIS IS IN THE NEWSLETTER I BELIEVE, THAT [NOISE] BEFORE A RAIN EVENT, TURN OFF THE AUTOMATIC SPRINKLERS, WAIT SEVERAL DAYS AFTER A RAIN EVENT.
I HAVEN'T HAD MY SPRINKLERS ON SINCE DECEMBER OR SO AND THE GRASS IS LOOKING OKAY.
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BUT SO YEAH, CONSERVATION IS STILL KEY, BUT WE'RE NO LONGER DOING THE PENALTY SURCHARGES, AND EVERYBODY ELSE HAS ALSO STOPPED THE PENALTIES AND THE RESTRICTIONS ON WATERING ONE DAY A WEEK.YOU CAN WATER MORE THAN ONE DAY A WEEK.
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK EVERYBODY FOR, AGAIN, TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION.
IT WAS A VERY BALANCED AND I THINK THERE WAS NO NEGATIVITY FROM EACH OTHER ON EITHER SIDE IF YOU WERE.
I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE DECORUM OF OUR RESIDENTS ON SUCH A HOT TOPIC.
I HOPE EVERYONE HAS A HAPPY EASTER.
SEE YOU AT THE COOL CRUISE ON SATURDAY.
>> STARTING OFF, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
I KNOW MOST OF THE PEOPLE HAVE LEFT ALREADY, BUT IT'S A LONG MEETING.
I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE HERE, BUT I APPRECIATE THAT YOU ARE.
I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'VE WRITTEN IN, THAT YOU'VE CALLED.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT MAKES THE COMMUNITY WORK, IS THAT WHEN WE HEAR FROM YOU.
AS I STATED BEFORE, I THINK ALL WE CAN COMMIT TO AND WHAT WE SHOULD BE COMMITTING TO IS THAT WE CONTINUE TO IMPROVE AND GROW.
I APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK IN THE COMMENTS AND THE WAY IN WHICH EVERYONE CONDUCTED THEMSELVES TONIGHT.
WITH THAT, I WANTED TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT OF A PERSONAL ANECDOTE.
MY SISTER TEACHES IN WEST COVINA.
GOOD FRIENDS OF MINE TEACHING IN WEST COVINA AT MY ALMA MATER.
WE HAD TWO SUICIDES AT WEST COVINA HIGH SCHOOL LAST WEEK.
A YOUNG GIRL COMMITTED SUICIDE FIRST AND THEN HER BOYFRIEND THEN COMMITTED SUICIDE A COUPLE OF DAYS LATER.
BY ALL ACCOUNTS, IF YOU WERE TO HAVE MET THE YOUNG WOMAN, TWO OF MY FRIENDS HAD BOTH STUDENTS AS THEIR STUDENTS INVOLVED, PARTICIPATED IN MULTIPLE SPORTS.
GOOD GRADES. NONE OF THE MARKERS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE THOUGHT OR THAT WE MAYBE STEREOTYPE PEOPLE AS BEING SUSCEPTIBLE TO DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I TALK ABOUT TRY-CITY MENTAL HEALTH A LOT AND I TALK ABOUT THE PROGRAMS AND THE SERVICES THAT ARE AVAILABLE.
I TALK ABOUT WHEN THE NEXT MEETINGS ARE, AND I ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO MAKE USE OF THAT.
I THINK THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT I WANT TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT, LOOK AT YOUR NEIGHBORS, LOOK AT YOUR FRIENDS, LOOK AT YOUR FAMILIES.
IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE PEOPLE WHO LOOK LIKE THEY MIGHT HAVE A PROBLEM OR LOOK LIKE THEY'RE STRESSED, OR LOOK LIKE THEY MIGHT BE THE PERSON THAT WOULD PUT THEMSELVES IN THAT SITUATION.
THESE WERE TWO YOUNG PEOPLE WITH THEIR WHOLE LIVES AHEAD OF THEM AND SNUFFED OUT.
I THINK ABOUT WHAT COULD WE DO AS A COMMUNITY TO LOOK OUT FOR EACH OTHER BETTER, ESPECIALLY IN THOSE INSTANCES.
BECAUSE MY HEART BREAKS FOR MY FRIENDS WHO HAD TO TEACH THEM, FOR THE FAMILIES THAT LOST THEM, TO THEIR FRIENDS THAT NOW HAVE TO HAVE THAT AS A REMINDER IN THEIR SCHOOL YEARS OF WHAT HAPPENED.
AS I ALWAYS TRY TO SAY, BE KIND TO EACH OTHER.
I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE EXEMPLIFIED THAT TONIGHT DURING A VERY EMOTIONAL TOPIC.
I THINK THAT WE JUST CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
WE'RE NOT ALWAYS GOING TO AGREE AND WE'RE NOT ALWAYS GOING TO SEE EYE TO EYE, BUT I THINK THE IMPORTANCE IS IN HAVING THE DISCUSSION AND LOOKING OUT FOR EACH OTHER.
AS ALWAYS, BE KIND, HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL.
ENJOY IT. ENJOY THE TIME WITH YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER LAU.
COUNCILMEMBER JOHNSON, WHO SHOULD HAVE MADE FOOD IN YOUR TWO-HOUR RECESS [LAUGHTER] FOR EVERYONE.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY AGAIN, THE EASTER EGG HUNT THAT WE HAD OVER THE WEEKEND WAS A GREAT PROJECT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT EVENT GET [NOISE] REPRESENTED IN OTHER DISTRICTS AS WELL.
WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF PARKS AROUND THE COMMUNITY, AND I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE OUT ANY SECTION OR ANY DISTRICT FROM FUN EVENTS LIKE THAT.
AS WE IMPROVE OUR PARKS WITH STAGES OR ELECTRICITY, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN IN OTHER LOCATIONS AS WELL.
MR. DOMER, REGARDING THE WATER FEES, WE'RE NOT CHARGING THE PENALTIES ANYMORE, BUT THOSE ARE STILL ON THE BOOKS, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T RESCINDED ANYTHING HERE ON THE DESK.
>> CORRECT. WE WILL BE BRINGING BACK NEW ORDINANCE IN THE FUTURE THAT IS A BIT.
I GUESS WE HAD TO AMEND UNDER AN EMERGENCY ORDINANCE OR CURRENT ORDINANCE BECAUSE IT DIDN'T ALLOW THE ABILITY TO SHIFT INTO DIFFERENT GEARS BASED ON WHAT OUR SUPPLIERS AND THE STATE SAID.
WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT SOME OTHER MODEL ORDINANCES TO BRING BACK.
THE NEXT TIME IF THERE'S STATE DIRECTIVE OR MWD DIRECTIVE,
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WE CAN BRING A RESOLUTION TO DO AT VERSUS GOING THROUGH AN EMERGENCY ORDINANCE OR OTHER BASIS.BUT IT DOES ALLOW US TO STOP THE PENALTY SURCHARGES WITHOUT BRINGING IN AN EMERGENCY ORDINANCE TO DO IT QUICKLY.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE. WE STILL HAVE CLOSED SESSION THOUGH TONIGHT, DOING WE?
>> YES, WE DO. IT DIDN'T GO AWAY YET.
[LAUGHTER] LOOK, IT'S NOT ON MY PAPER ANYMORE.
>> THANK YOU, GOD, FOR GIVING ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TODAY.
I'M SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS, COUNCIL MEMBER LAU.
IT IS A TRAGIC THING AND I PRAY FOR THEIR FAMILIES.
IT'S A HORRIBLE THING TO LOSE A YOUNG ONE.
YOU RAISE YOUR CHILDREN JUST TO DO GOOD AND TO NOT TO LOSE THEM THAT WAY.
NO PARENT SHOULD EVER HAVE TO BURY THEIR CHILD.
THIS IS A GREAT CITY. WE'LL FIGHT TO KEEP IT STRONG.
IT'S OKAY TO COME HERE TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS, TO AGREE TO DISAGREE.
PLEASE JUST DON'T FORGET THERE'S STILL TOMORROW.
LET'S SEE WHAT WE COULD DO TOMORROW OR WE COULD DO BETTER AND DO GOOD.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS REALLY PROUD OF IS MY ALMA MATER, BENITO HIGH-SCHOOL.
WHEN I WENT DOWN THERE AND SAW THE CAR SHOW, I SAW THEY HAD BUILT OVER 99.9 PERCENT ALMOST DONE WITH THEIR ELECTRIC VEHICLE, AND I TOLD HIM THAT I WAS REALLY PROUD TO TAKE SOME GREAT PHOTOS WITH THEM AND THEY GOT ONE LITTLE ISSUE TO DEAL WITH REGARDING SOME CHARGING IN THE VEHICLE, BATTERY PACK, SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW.
>> I DON'T KNOW ABOUT STOPPING.
[LAUGHTER] I WAS LIKE HEY, JUST BAIL OUT THE THING, BUT IT WAS REALLY COOL TO SEE.
YOU PULL THE HANDLE THINGS, TAKE OUT HALF THE CURB, BUT THAT'S COOL.
IT WAS FUN TO SEE THEM, IT WAS GOOD TO SEE GREAT MINDS HERE LOCALLY TO BE ABLE TO BUILD SUCH AN AMAZING THING.
WE'LL HOPEFULLY BRING HIM HERE TOO, AND RECOGNIZE THEM HERE.
I'M ALL ABOUT RECOGNITION, SOMETHING I'M VERY PROUD OF IN THE MILITARY THAT WE DO.
WE RECOGNIZE, WE AWARD, AND WE DO WHAT WE CAN TO TELL PEOPLE, THANK YOU, AND WE APPRECIATE YOU, AND YOUR GOOD DEEDS DON'T GO UNWARRANTED.
THAT'S WHAT I'M ALL ABOUT, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME MAYOR.
>> DO WANT TO MENTION THE HOCKEY?
DAMIAN HIGH SCHOOL, WE DID WIN THE STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS. I DID REACH OUT TO THEM.
THEY WENT TO THE NATIONALS, UNFORTUNATELY CAME REALLY CLOSE, AND HOPEFULLY NEXT YEAR THEY GET OUT THERE AND WIN IT ALL.
BUT THEY DID WON THE STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS HERE.
WE ALSO REACHED OUT TO THEM AND WE'LL HOPEFULLY GET THEM OUT HERE AS WELL TO RECOGNIZE THEM.
FURTHERMORE, I DID REACH OUT TO PASTOR LINCOLN FROM BAPTIST HIGH-SCHOOL.
BAPTIST SCHOOL FOR KID THROUGH 12, AND ALSO LUTHERAN TO LET THEM KNOW, PLEASE, IF YOU HAVE ANY ACCOMPLISHMENTS THAT ARE AMAZING, KIDS HERE IN LA VERNE HAD DONE, REACH OUT TO ME IMMEDIATELY, I WANT TO RECOGNIZE THEM, LET THEM KNOW.
FOR EVERYBODY HERE IN LA VERNE. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER CASH.
>> I'M GOING TO JUST PARDON ON EVERYONE'S, I'M VERY SORRY FOR YOUR FRIENDS.
THAT'S A HORRIFIC SITUATION, AS COUNCIL MEMBER CASH SAID.
YOU NEVER WANT TO BURY YOUR CHILDREN.
I DO WANT TO SAY THAT THE EXCELLENT ADVENTURE THAT WAS AT HERITAGE PARK THIS WEEKEND, WE DID FOUR SHIFTS, DIFFERENT AGE GROUPS, ABSOLUTE SUCCESS, COMMUNITY SERVICES, DIRECTOR OF ONDURAN.
THANK YOU ACTING CHIEF GONZALEZ FOR YOUR STAFF.
I WANT TO THANK PUBLIC WORKS, THEY WERE THERE ALSO.
ALSO LA VERNE ROTARY WAS THERE.
THEY DONATED FOR THE EGGS AND ALSO PUT THE EGGS OUT IN EACH DIFFERENT SHIFT FOR THE DIFFERENT KIDS.
TOLL WAS SUCCESSFUL, BOOTHS WERE GRATE, HERITAGE FOUNDATION DID A GREAT JOB, HISTORICAL SITE AS YOU HEARD.
WE JUST CONTINUE TO DO WONDERFUL THINGS IN OUR COMMUNITY WITH THE COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT.
THANK YOU TO OUR CITY MANAGER CAN DOMER ALSO FOR MAKING THAT HAPPEN WITH HIS STAFF.
WE DO HAVE A LOT OF THINGS COMING UP, THE CAR CRUISES WEEKEND.
REMEMBER, DON'T FORGET THE SIDEWALK COLORING CONTESTS FOR THE MINERAL SQUARE.
I KNOW THEY'RE ALL ADULTS HERE, IF YOU WANT TO DO IT, IT'S FINE, GO AHEAD.
[LAUGHTER] YOU CAN COLOR ALL YOU WANT.
ALL THOSE PEOPLE, PLEASE HAVE A WONDERFUL TIME.
ON SUNDAY IT'S GOING TO BE A GORGEOUS WEEKEND.
LET'S ALL REMEMBER AS COUNCIL MEMBER LAU STATED, MENTAL ILLNESS IS VERY SERIOUS.
THERE ARE AVENUES TO GET HELP.
TRY CITY IS ONE OF THEM, BUT THERE ARE MULTIPLE AREAS WITH PHONE NUMBERS TO CALL IF THERE'S AN ISSUE.
LOOK FOR THE SIGNS, KEEP A CLOSE EYE OUT BECAUSE IT'S SERIOUS AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE PANDEMIC, IT'S CREATING MORE OF AN ISSUE, SO WE MUST ALL KEEP OUR EYES ON THAT.
[CLOSED SESSION]
WE HAVE A CLOSED SESSION TONIGHT, MR. DOMER, IS THAT CORRECT?>> SURE. CITY COUNCIL MEETING CLOSED SESSION PURSUANT TO GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 54957.6 FOR THE FOLLOWING CONFERENCE WITH LABOR NEGOTIATORS, THE NEGOTIATORS ARE THE CITY MANAGER, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER,
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AND ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, THE EMPLOYEE ORGANIZATIONS ARE THE LA VERNE CITY EMPLOYEES ASSOCIATION, LA VERNE POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION, LA VERNE POLICE MIDDLE MANAGEMENT ASSOCIATION, LA VERNE FIREFIGHTERS ASSOCIATION, AND ALL UNREPRESENTED EMPLOYEES.THERE'S A SECOND ITEM, THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING CLOSED SESSION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT TO PARTICIPATE IN THE NATIONAL OPIOID SETTLEMENTS WITH MANUFACTURERS AND DISTRIBUTORS PURSUANT TO GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 54956.9.
>> WE'LL BE REPORTING OUT COUNSEL?
>> YES, I EXPECT TO REPORT OUT ON THAT, I AM.
>> BEFORE WE RECESS INTO CLOSED SESSION, WE'RE GOING TO BE ADJOURNING IN MEMORY OF ARMY SPECIALISTS, D4 VETERAN MICHAEL MONTALTO, WHO DIED ON MARCH 5TH, 2023.
MICHAEL WAS DRAFTED IN THE ARMY IN 1966 AND SERVED TWO YEARS FIGHTING IN THE VIETNAM WAR.
HE, ALONG WITH LONGTIME FRIEND DAVID ALVARADO, MR. ALVARADO IS HERE IN THE AUDIENCE RIGHT HERE.
THEY STARTED THE BAND OF BROTHERS POSE 12034 IN 2008, AND THANK YOU FOR THAT, MR. ALVARADO.
AFTER HIS MILITARY SERVICE, HE WAS A TRUCK DRIVER FOR MANY YEARS, LATER HE BECAME A BARBER AND WORKED IN CLAREMONT.
PEOPLE WHO KNEW HIM DESCRIBED HIM AS MODEST, HUMBLE, AND A FRIEND TO THE VETERANS.
HE HAS SURVIVED BY HIS WIFE ANET MONTAVO, TWO DAUGHTERS, TWO SONS, SEVEN GRANDCHILDREN, AND ONE GREAT-GRANDCHILD.
NOW WE HAVE HIS DAUGHTER HERE, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> THE TWO GRANDCHILDREN, AND THEY SERVED IN WHAT MILITARY CAPACITY, BOTH OF YOU?
>> ARMY. THANK YOU FOR SERVING VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE] THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOUR FATHER DID AND YOUR GRANDFATHER DID ALONG WITH MR. ALVARADO, GETS A WONDERFUL THING.
WE HAVE OUR BAND OF BROTHERS AND WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THEM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I'D LIKE TO GET A PICTURE OF YOU GUYS WITH THE COUNCIL BEFORE YOU GO.
WE'LL BE DONE IN JUST A SECOND.
THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING OF LA VERNE CITY COUNCIL IS SCHEDULED FROM MONDAY, APRIL 17TH AT 6:30 PM.
I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR COMING TONIGHT. THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT 11:00 PM.
>> RECESS. EXCUSE ME. WE RECESS AT 11:00 PM. CLOSED SESSION.
>> THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO REPORT OUT THAT IN CLOSED SESSION THE CITY COUNCIL ACTED TO APPROVE THE CITY'S PARTICIPATION IN THE FIVE OPIOIDS SETTLEMENT MATTERS THAT ARE TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED OR TENTATIVELY SETTLED, AND THAT WAS BY EMOTION OF MAYOR HEPBURN, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER LAU, AND THAT WAS APPROVED 5-0. THAT'S IT.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.